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How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

Bismillah

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if your assuming dress code causes this exact behavior your sadly mistaken and reaching to justify your belief for a dress code

Tell me dress code doesn't perpetuate this behavior and you exclude almost every facet of specialized consumer apparel. Victoria Secret, American Eagle, Hollister etc. etc.
 

TJ73

Active Member
From my personal perspective hijab has been a blessing. I have always had to struggle to find polite ways , and not so polite, to defend myself against the advances of men and sometimes women. I am always understanding, it's human nature, although very disturbed by married guys. On one hand I liked the attention and I loved the perks. On the other hand I felt bad rejecting people and always had to be aware that peoples intentions were often jaded by attraction.
I wear my hijab and although I still get complimented I don't get the same long stares and I feel like I am listened to in a different way. But the most important part of it for me is the fact that I have changed and learned to use ways other than physical beauty to help me in the world. I feel that people see me and understand I am not available on a sexual level and it opens up other avenues of communication and bonding.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
"women's liberation" you are delusional

see I think your delusional for suggesting I ever had said anything to do with womens liberation. I did not!

she is oppressed, she just doesn't realize it.

this is only your opinion and nothing more.She is however a paid model and loves what she is doing as her beauty gives her a ticket to take life to another level most people dont get.

how you can confuse a blessing and being oppressed is beyond me.


beauty is not oppression.

freedom of choice is the answer

you should try it before you ALL knock it
 

Bismillah

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I wear my hijab and although I still get complimented I don't get the same long stares and I feel like I am listened to in a different way. But the most important part of it for me is the fact that I have changed and learned to use ways other than physical beauty to help me in the world. I feel that people see me and understand I am not available on a sexual level and it opens up other avenues of communication and bonding.

Exactly! This is the purpose of hijab, to clearly state the wearer's intentions.
 

Bismillah

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freedom of choice is the answer

you should try it before you ALL knock it


So this is the thesis of almost all your points and I am curious how it relates to the topic?

You are almost arguing against practices established by several countries in the Middle East and I fail to see how that topic is still applicable?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Tell me dress code doesn't perpetuate this behavior and you exclude almost every facet of specialized consumer apparel. Victoria Secret, American Eagle, Hollister etc. etc.

wrong agin

we dont need a dress code

a lack of dress code does not perpetuate college drop outs, end of story

freedom to choose to buy and wear what you want from said companys is what its all about.


dress code is not the solution,,,, FREEDOM TO CHOOSE IS THE ONLY CHOICE.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
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So this is the thesis of almost all your points and I am curious how it relates to the topic?

You are almost arguing against practices established by several countries in the Middle East and I fail to see how that topic is still applicable?


forcing women to dress how society wants is not freedom.

I live in america like you where we do not force a dress code and hide beauty.

You may not like the word freedom because in many muslim countrys, freedom is not on the table or possibly not part of your culture.


the burqa is lack of freedom end of story
 

Bismillah

Submit
a lack of dress code does not perpetuate college drop outs, end of story
I am not arguing that? I am saying that the dress code of the West is one of many different sources of today's society which encourage individuals to flaunt their sexuality. And yes this does tie in with college drop outs when they consider this pursuit of sexuality to be of greater importance than their studies.

Regardless

forcing women to dress how society wants is not freedom.
Please tell me what this has to do with this statement:
How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

If you want to talk about freedoms in the Middle East, or lack of thereof, there are many we could go over and none that bear and particular impact on the topic itself.
the burqa is lack of freedom end of story
No it is not, it is only a lack of freedom unless imposed by outside rule.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I am saying that the dress code of the West

do we really have a dress code????????

And yes this does tie in with college drop outs

proof not opinions please.

got a link a graph something??????

Please tell me what this has to do with this statement:


honor and forced are two different things, your beliefs to not give women the freedom to choose.

it cannot be honorable if forced due to lack of freedom

Hijab - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims differ as to whether the hijab should be required on women in public, as it is in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia; whether it should be banned in schools, as it is in France, Syria and Turkey; or whether it should be left for the women to decide.

Honorable??????????????????? when health risks are also involved???

Enveloping outer garments, such as the burqa, are believed to cause or worsen medical conditions in some individuals.[20] In particular, they contribute to a predisposition for hypovitaminosis D, which can lead to rickets or osteoporosis and may increase the risk of seizures in infants born to affected mothers

this woman looks pretty healthy to me.
 

Bismillah

Submit
do we really have a dress code????????
... I am using your own word choice.

proof not opinions please.

got a link a graph something??????
For what? Why do you keep snipping and ignoring the bigger picture.

I state: "today's society which encourage individuals to flaunt their sexuality. And yes this does tie in with college drop outs when they consider this pursuit of sexuality to be of greater importance than their studies. "

When I look at the majority of dropouts it's because their grades suffer. They suffer because they prioritize things such as partying and everything that it entails.

Sexuality has taken a hold on American culture among the youth. And this has negative effects on these people.

And like I stated, the clothing manufacturers that target the youth do establish this sexuality as a theme of their sales pitch. It is one of many sources that encourage this obsession with sexuality in today's culture.

honor and forced are two different things, your beliefs to not give women the freedom to choose.

it cannot be honorable if forced due to lack of freedom
1. Where did I say that women shouldn't have the opportunity to choose weather to wear the hijab or not.

2. The question states: "How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?"

Implying that it is her own actions due to questioning how she can justify herself wearing the hijab.

Talking about the freedoms of dress code are irrelevant.

 

beenie

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
From my personal perspective hijab has been a blessing. I have always had to struggle to find polite ways , and not so polite, to defend myself against the advances of men and sometimes women. I am always understanding, it's human nature, although very disturbed by married guys. On one hand I liked the attention and I loved the perks. On the other hand I felt bad rejecting people and always had to be aware that peoples intentions were often jaded by attraction.
I wear my hijab and although I still get complimented I don't get the same long stares and I feel like I am listened to in a different way. But the most important part of it for me is the fact that I have changed and learned to use ways other than physical beauty to help me in the world. I feel that people see me and understand I am not available on a sexual level and it opens up other avenues of communication and bonding.

i've both worn the headscarf and not worn it, and i was treated basically the same way. if someone wants to compliment you, they'll pick something they can see to compliment. when i wore a headscarf, it was my eyes they liked. it's all about how you present yourself and your actions that make the "hijab", not necessarily the headscarf, burqa, etc.

whatever bud

how you can ask if its honorable to be forced to hide in public is beyond me

you are stuck on the idea it is "forced". sure there are women who are "forced", but there are millions who are NOT forced, and i abhor these actions. forcing anyone to wear anything is senseless and against the principles of belief.

however, i ask this: if Muslim women are forced to wear the headscarf, then why on EARTH are so many Muslim women wearing the headscarf in the US, UK, Australia, etc. where they are clearly in the minority? why have so many women kept their headscarves on in Turkey when the government has all but banned it? i don't see the men taking to the streets to allow women to wear it, IT'S THE WOMEN. for them, it brings honor to THEM. why is this so hard to accept?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
why is this so hard to accept?
there are women who are "forced",

you answered the question yourself.

if you find honor in hiding your identity then more power to you.

I understand what your saying. This is a cultural difference in religion.
 
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beenie

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you answered the question yourself.

if you find honor in hiding your identity then more power to you.

I understand what your saying. This is a cultural difference in religion.

no i didn't. SOME women are forced to wear the headscarf. SOME women are forced to dress in skimpy clothing. BOTH are oppressed.

i don't wear the headscarf, but i firmly support those who choose too.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
SOME women are forced to dress in skimpy clothing

I guess im just lucky, no one forces anyone to dress in skimpy clothing here.

our women are not oppressed in regards to societys dress code

imagine what you must

i don't wear the headscarf, but i firmly support those who choose too.

headscarf is fine, i personaly dont see honor in wearing one. the fact its forced upon some to me is appalling
 

beenie

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I guess im just lucky, no one forces anyone to dress in skimpy clothing here.

our women are not oppressed in regards to societys dress code

imagine what you must



headscarf is fine, i personaly dont see honor in wearing one. the fact its forced upon some to me is appalling

are you serious? you don't think there are men that force their women to dress sexy? ever heard of a "trophy wife"? prostitutes are well-dressed, don't you think? do you think their "johns" encourage wearing any clothing at all? get your head out of the sand, dude. i personally know of a husband who gets super butt hurt if his wife wears conservative clothing; he WANTS her and prods her to dress more sexy. puh-leeze.

oppression happens everywhere.

i find anyone forcing another to do anything appalling.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
are you serious? you don't think there are men that force their women to dress sexy? ever heard of a "trophy wife"? prostitutes are well-dressed, don't you think? do you think their "johns" encourage wearing any clothing at all? get your head out of the sand, dude. i personally know of a husband who gets super butt hurt if his wife wears conservative clothing; he WANTS her and prods her to dress more sexy. puh-leeze.

oppression happens everywhere.

i find anyone forcing another to do anything appalling.

would you say your leading this arguement with emotion more so then reason and logic?
 
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