How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Allow me to change just a bit your analogy my dear sister :

(Btw I havent read any page except the first and the second so I apologise if it comes out of context)

The analogy goes like this: flies come to unwrapped candies, wrapped candies are free from flies =====>>> FLIES HATE WRAPPED CANDIES

Thank you, lol

So men are flies. Nice.

Keep flies away by wearing your grandmas clothes, you'll get to the purpose.Wear a Hijab on it, and as a Muslim it will:

1) Keep flies away
2) grant you the honour of following the rules of Allah.

So main purpose for Muslims : pleasing Allah, second purpose which is derived by the first since rules of Allah are there for our benefit: keeping flies away.


AND the " FLIES HATE WRAPPED CANDIES" , was adressed to all men on this thread trying to convince women that Hijab is not honorable. Men also hate ladies wrapped in their grandmas clothes, so thats why its frustrate me when men try to LIBERATE us for their own purpose. As for women then discussion becomes much different and I think there was one good discussion not a long time ago between ladies Ill see if I can find it for you.

I personally dislike the hijab, but it has nothing to do with wanting to use women for some purpose. I'm a happily married monogamous man; whether you're dressed in a burqa, hijab, normal clothes, or you're completely naked carrying a sign that says "take me now", it doesn't make a difference. No matter what, I'm not a "fly" you need to "keep away".

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

. No matter what, I'm not a "fly" you need to "keep away".

It depends on one's perspective..

 

[Harmonious]

How about this?......

If you had a precious jewel that was worth thousands of dollars, many people would take it, when it isn't being used, and put it in a safety deposit box. Is anyone ashamed of the jewel? Certainly not, but the owner shows how precious it is by keeping it hidden until it is necessary to be used

reread this...maybe...

...when it isn't being used, and put it in a safety deposit box. Is anyone ashamed of the jewel? Certainly not, but the owner shows how precious it is by keeping it hidden until it is necessary to be used.

The woman owns her body. The man owns his body. (Well, actually, God owns everything, but for purposes of this conversation, the people are masters of their own bodies.)

They respectively keep their private parts covered until they are using them for their intended purpose.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

The woman owns her body. The man owns his body. (Well, actually, God owns everything, but for purposes of this conversation, the people are masters of their own bodies.)

Thanks a lot

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It depends on one's perspective..

Exactly what perspective would ever lead you to think that if you left your hair uncovered, you'd tempt me into adultery?

 

[Sahar]

So men are flies. Nice.


I personally dislike the hijab, but it has nothing to do with wanting to use women for some purpose. I'm a happily married monogamous man; whether you're dressed in a burqa, hijab, normal clothes, or you're completely naked carrying a sign that says "take me now", it doesn't make a difference. No matter what, I'm not a "fly" you need to "keep away".

If the shoe fits...

 

[beenie]

Btw, I hope that after 8 pages people have realised that the OP is Senjedem with a new name ? lol

lol i was wondering who the poster with over 6,000 was.

Exactly what perspective would ever lead you to think that if you left your hair uncovered, you'd tempt me into adultery?

you present a very good question.
i propose that women who choose to wear the headscarf may do it more for herself than for men. it acts like a constant reminder for them that their actions need to be under their own control around men. the analogy that men will somehow become uncontrollable by seeing a woman's hair seems far-fetched; rather, the woman herself keeps her actions "in check" by wearing the headscarf. actions speak WAY louder than appearance.

if it's presented this way, perhaps it's not so hard to understand.

 

[Harmonious]

Thanks a lot

No problem.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Exactly what perspective would ever lead you to think that if you left your hair uncovered, you'd tempt me into adultery?

Actually it doesnt matter for me wether I tempt you or not into adultery, I dont care at all ; I still do consider that men IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR RELATION TO WOMEN act like flies , so I protect myself.

Therefore, you're not even in the equation lol

 

[YmirGF]

Actually it doesnt matter for me wether I tempt you or not into adultery, I dont care at all ; I still do consider that men IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR RELATION TO WOMEN act like flies , so I protect myself.

Therefore, you're not even in the equation lol

So, this is your perception based on the prejudices of your belief system. Spiffy.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually it doesnt matter for me wether I tempt you or not into adultery, I dont care at all ; I still do consider that men IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR RELATION TO WOMEN act like flies , so I protect myself.

Therefore, you're not even in the equation lol

I am a man. Any statement about men in general, if true, is true for me. Conversely, any statement that's false for me is not true for men in general.

This is just how it works: when you make a general statement, the implication is that it is true for each specific case that it applies to.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

And yes, I was talking about men in general ; I said flies dislike wrapped candies, that doesnt mean I care if I tempt men into adultery or not, it means Im protecting myself from being the goal of some sort of fly.

Hope it was clear this time

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And yes, I was talking about men in general ; I said flies dislike wrapped candies, that doesnt mean I care if I tempt men into adultery or not, it means Im protecting myself from being the goal of some sort of fly.

Hope it was clear this time

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If you have the attitude that men are flies, I doubt they're interested anyway.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

And my attitude is my defense.

, I doubt they're interested anyway.

Thats the point

 

[Kilgore Trout]

And my attitude is my defense.

Right, no head scarf needed. Just being off-putting is more than sufficient.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

No actually its not,

1) Because Allah ordered me to put my scarf AND have the off-putting attitude

Quran (33 : 32)
then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease (of hypocrisy, or evil desire for adultery, etc.) should be moved with desire, but speak in an honourable manner.

2) The attitude doesnt work at all if you look pretty and attractive.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

The attitude doesnt work at all if you look pretty and attractive.

I'm sure a lot of people share this misconception.

 

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Listen , just so that we can be clear

Headscarf is made to obey Allah orders, and one of its benefits is what ive mentioned earlier.

THOSE benefits, you can achieve them by putting your grandmas house as Madhuri stated and acting off-putting BUT you wont be obeying Allah orders. Youll gain the benefit of it only.

 

[Pegg]

From what I understood, if a woman in the assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses is giving an address to a mixed congregation, leading prayer, or teaching a non-member instead of her husband, she is suggested to cover her head.

yes thats correct

the headcovering comes into play for woman only when she is performing a role that a man would normally perform because the headdress is a sign of submission according to scripture. We dont wear them normally.

this is how we show our submissiveness to the leadership of men in the congregation. The reason why a woman might need to say the prayer or conduct a study in the congregation is if there are no baptized brothers available. If there is a baptized man around though, the woman would not need to say a prayer or take a study. In terms of her conducting a private bible study while in the company of her husband, or another baptized brother, then she would wear a headcovering as a sign of respect to him.

 

[outhouse]

Freedom is the answer, I would find it a crime to cover this kind of beauty up

we see this all the time here in Ca so we know how to control ourselves.

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