How can a Muslim woman consider it Honorable to wear the headscarf?

[outhouse]

Is this freedom? or oppression??

I know which one I want to date

 

[Sahar]

Freedom is the answer, I would find it a crime to cover this kind of beauty up

It's not freedom. It's enslavement, exploitation, degradation and objectification of women. Of course you're happy with this, because it satisfy your desires. But no thanks, women are much better than this and should be treated better than this. Many Muslim women are very aware of this. They don't allow ignorant disrespectful men to use them to satisfy themselves but they demand respect and behave as such instead of being treated as objects for pleasure.

 

[Pegg]

It's not freedom. It's enslavement, exploitation, degradation and objectification of women. Of course you're happy with this, because it satisfy your desires. But no thanks, women are much better than this and should be treated better than this. Many Muslim women are very aware of this. They don't allow ignorant disrespectful men to use them to satisfy themselves but they demand respect and behave as such instead of being treated as objects for pleasure.

i totally agree

just as covering from head to toe is considered oppressive... so is stripping women and making them feel that they are only beautiful when they are naked

thankfully not all men are perverted in think that stripping women is ok. I wonder if outhouse would approve of such nakedness if the girl was his own daughter?

 

[beenie]

Freedom is the answer, I would find it a crime to cover this kind of beauty up

we see this all the time here in Ca so we know how to control ourselves.

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Is this freedom? or oppression??

I know which one I want to date

women are oppressed on both ends and you know it.
fake boobs and implants in various parts of their bodies is exploiting them just as much as those women who are forced to cover every inch of their bodies. don't tell me all women get saline crap injected into their chests for their own benefit. i know not all women wear the burqa for their benefit either, so let's not go there.

freedom will only come when women can dress as they wish and won't have to impress anyone...the horny man or the oppressive, insecure one.

 

[Pegg]

freedom will only come when women can dress as they wish and won't have to impress anyone...the horny man or the oppressive, insecure one.

exactly

although, i think women who take off their clothes are actually insecure too...they have the wrong idea that their sexuality is where their value lies...this is just as destructive as the male who views a womans worth by the degree of how sexually appealing she is

either way, they are both perverted in their view

 

[outhouse]

LOL you all are funny

I guarantee you the blonde is not oppressed LOL pressed maybe but never ever oppressed.

She is free to do what she wants when she wants. It does not satisfy any desire of mine at all.

Its just a young blonde woman enjoying her beauty

the women here will be jealous so I dont expect a reasonable responce. A few are from a completely different culture and dont understand how natural that is here. There are nude beaches within 2 miles of my house. i can see all that I want if I choose. I have a healthy life and dont need to. It may not be legal but WE WONT kill or murder them for it LOL

FREEDOM, personal FREEDOM to do what you want. FREEDOM is the answer

 

[SLAMH]

I still do consider that men IN THE CONTEXT OF THEIR RELATION TO WOMEN act like flies

no offense, but this is ridiculous.

 

[outhouse]

freedom will only come when women can dress as they wish and won't have to impress anyone...the horny man or the oppressive, insecure one.

funny women here are free to dress anyway they want.

all the women I know love to dress up and look pretty for themselves and dont give a rats back end what men think about them.

yes I know what your saying, but freedom is the answer

 

[Bismillah]

LOL you all are funny

I guarantee you the blonde is not oppressed LOL pressed maybe but never ever oppressed.

She is free to do what she wants when she wants. It does not satisfy any desire of mine at all.

Its just a young blonde woman enjoying her beauty

the women here will be jealous so I dont expect a reasonable responce. A few are from a completely different culture and dont understand how natural that is here. There are nude beaches within 2 miles of my house. i can see all that I want if I choose. I have a healthy life and dont need to. It may not be legal but WE WONT kill or murder them for it LOL

FREEDOM, personal FREEDOM to do what you want. FREEDOM is the answer

Yeah I can tell that they're not "oppressed". In fact of the fourteen thousand entering freshman in my college every year only about five thousand graduate. The majority of them leave after the first year. Why? Because they are too busy being "liberated" with parties and everything which it entails.

You can try and pretend otherwise, but sexuality in the West has taken a deep root in society to the point that they structure their entire lives around such shallow ideals.

It is funny how such stupid things have become the most important for so many in the West.

 

[Pegg]

LOL you all are funny

I guarantee you the blonde is not oppressed LOL pressed maybe but never ever oppressed.

She is free to do what she wants when she wants. It does not satisfy any desire of mine at all.

Its just a young blonde woman enjoying her beauty

the women here will be jealous so I dont expect a reasonable responce. A few are from a completely different culture and dont understand how natural that is here. There are nude beaches within 2 miles of my house. i can see all that I want if I choose. I have a healthy life and dont need to. It may not be legal but WE WONT kill or murder them for it LOL

FREEDOM, personal FREEDOM to do what you want. FREEDOM is the answer

but outhouse, as a man there is one thing you will never understand... and that is that, like show pony's, women are pressured to be what you see in that picture therefore they are not free to be themselves at all.

as a man, you can look scruffy if you want and you'll still be considered attractive because women are not attracted to your physical appearance, whereas men are mostly attracted to a womans physical appearance. Do you have any idea how destructive that is to a womans freedom?

i dont think so.

 

[Pegg]

Yeah I can tell that they're not "oppressed". In fact of the fourteen thousand entering freshman in my college every year only about five thousand graduate. The majority of them leave after the first year. Why? Because they are too busy being "liberated" with parties and everything which it entails.

You can try and pretend otherwise, but sexuality in the West has taken a deep root in society to the point that they structure their entire lives around such shallow ideals.

It is funny how such stupid things have become the most important for so many in the West.

while i agree with you about western sexuality being extreme, im not sure if you realise that it is exactly the same in muslim society...except you take the opposite end of extremism (no offense in tended here)

there is just as much sexual perversion in your society and it shows itself by the fact that a woman must be covered from head to toe because the view over there is that women are sexual things...so sexual she cannot be seen in public so you have to cover them entirely. if she shows any part of her flesh she is trying to entice you into adultery.

both our cultures have taken sexuality to an extreme and the only ones who are suffering are the women.

 

[Bismillah]

while i agree with you about western sexuality being extreme, im not sure if you realise that it is exactly the same in muslim society...except you take the opposite end of extremism (no offense in tended here)

there is just as much sexual perversion in your society and it just itself by the fact that a woman must be covered from head to toe because the view over there is that women are sexual things...so sexual she cannot be seen in public so you have to cover them entirely. if she shows any part of her flesh she is trying to entice you into adultery.

both our cultures have taken sexuality to an extreme.

1. I live in America

2. It was directed at outhouse who is denying the negative effects of popular culture among youth.

3. I wouldn't deny Wahhabi interpretations of the burqa are wrong. I don't think that applying cultural dresses into religious obligation is moral. Regardless, I think that the society present in so many Muslim countries has taken the message of the Qur'an and turned it into an authoritative rule. Though I am still waiting to finish an instructive book of clearly how the process was diverted and what can be done to fix it.

 

[SLAMH]

while i agree with you about western sexuality being extreme, im not sure if you realise that it is exactly the same in muslim society...except you take the opposite end of extremism (no offense in tended here)

there is just as much sexual perversion in your society and it just itself by the fact that a woman must be covered from head to toe because the view over there is that women are sexual things...so sexual she cannot be seen in public so you have to cover them entirely. if she shows any part of her flesh she is trying to entice you into adultery.

both our cultures have taken sexuality to an extreme.

True. It is not the hijab or whatever cover is the main factor in preserving societies from an extreme immoral sexuality. Rather, it is the finding of the way to make people believe in and being convinced that life isn't all about sexuality.

 

[Pegg]

Though I am still waiting to finish an instructive book of clearly how the process was diverted and what can be done to fix it.

the problem will only be fixed when people change their view. Christ taught christians to 'love' each other like brothers and sisters. If men think of every woman as their sister, then they wont be looking at them sexually....but as the women they are.

however, i dont know if the Quran would allow for such progressive ideas... if the Quran really tells muslim women to remain fully covered, then it would be very difficult to get out of the mindset that a woman 'needs' to be covered.

 

[Pegg]

True. It is not the hijab or whatever cover is the main factor in preserving societies from an extreme immoral sexuality. Rather, it is the finding of the way to make people believe in and being convinced that life isn't all about sexuality.

well said....exactly. And this is not beyond muslim men to achieve.. we can all achieve such a mental attitude because they already think this way about their own mothers and sisters.

 

[beenie]

LOL you all are funny

I guarantee you the blonde is not oppressed LOL pressed maybe but never ever oppressed.

She is free to do what she wants when she wants. It does not satisfy any desire of mine at all.

Its just a young blonde woman enjoying her beauty

the women here will be jealous so I dont expect a reasonable responce. A few are from a completely different culture and dont understand how natural that is here. There are nude beaches within 2 miles of my house. i can see all that I want if I choose. I have a healthy life and dont need to. It may not be legal but WE WONT kill or murder them for it LOL

FREEDOM, personal FREEDOM to do what you want. FREEDOM is the answer

she is oppressed, she just doesn't realize it. oppression takes on many forms, and if you think for one second that women dressing in next to nothing is for "women's liberation" you are delusional. the same goes for the other extreme. we agree on one thing: neither extreme is normal or justifiable, and again, freedom will come when women TRULY can dress however SHE pleases.

no offense, but this is ridiculous.

yes, comparing men to flies is beyond my reasoning too, FBI.

funny women here are free to dress anyway they want.

all the women I know love to dress up and look pretty for themselves and dont give a rats back end what men think about them.

yes I know what your saying, but freedom is the answer

i'm in America too, and while on the outside it appears that women can dress however they choose...you're half right. if they dress frumpy, they will be ignored. if they dress like the woman pictured, they'll be approached and gawked at. hmmm, sounds like "freedom" to me.

Yeah I can tell that they're not "oppressed". In fact of the fourteen thousand entering freshman in my college every year only about five thousand graduate. The majority of them leave after the first year. Why? Because they are too busy being "liberated" with parties and everything which it entails.

You can try and pretend otherwise, but sexuality in the West has taken a deep root in society to the point that they structure their entire lives around such shallow ideals.

It is funny how such stupid things have become the most important for so many in the West.

Abibi, sexuality has take deep roots all over the world, and it should in order for us to populate. are you saying that sexuality isn't an obsession in the Muslim world? have you read the Qur'an and Hadith? :sarcastic if sexuality wasn't such an obsession, women wouldn't feel the need to cover and "speak harsh" in tone, etc.

but outhouse, as a man there is one thing you will never understand... and that is that, like show pony's, women are pressured to be what you see in that picture therefore they are not free to be themselves at all.

as a man, you can look scruffy if you want and you'll still be considered attractive because women are not attracted to your physical appearance, whereas men are mostly attracted to a womans physical appearance. Do you have any idea how destructive that is to a womans freedom?

i dont think so.

perfect example of what i said above too.

while i agree with you about western sexuality being extreme, im not sure if you realise that it is exactly the same in muslim society...except you take the opposite end of extremism (no offense in tended here)

there is just as much sexual perversion in your society and it shows itself by the fact that a woman must be covered from head to toe because the view over there is that women are sexual things...so sexual she cannot be seen in public so you have to cover them entirely. if she shows any part of her flesh she is trying to entice you into adultery.

both our cultures have taken sexuality to an extreme and the only ones who are suffering are the women.

yes, this is so true. women are objectified everywhere.

1. I live in America

2. It was directed at outhouse who is denying the negative effects of popular culture among youth.

3. I wouldn't deny Wahhabi interpretations of the burqa are wrong. I don't think that applying cultural dresses into religious obligation is moral. Regardless, I think that the society present in so many Muslim countries has taken the message of the Qur'an and turned it into an authoritative rule. Though I am still waiting to finish an instructive book of clearly how the process was diverted and what can be done to fix it.

i'd love to hear what you've written so far.

 

[Bismillah]

however, i dont know if the Quran would allow for such progressive ideas... if the Quran really tells muslim women to remain fully covered, then it would be very difficult to get out of the mindset that a woman 'needs' to be covered.

The Burqa is not considered obligatory except for the Wahabbi school of thought.

Regardless Khaled Abou El Fadl's main points, so far, has been a condemnation of the traditional schools of thought and his emphasis on what he believes on the disappearance in noteworthy Islamic jurisprudence, to the extent that it may soon become extinct.

He has referrred to many scholars as "Hadith hurlers" who skim and look only for what appeals to their side and then hurl it at the opposing camp.

 

[Bismillah]

Abibi, sexuality has take deep roots all over the world, and it should in order for us to populate. are you saying that sexuality isn't an obsession in the Muslim world? have you read the Qur'an and Hadith? :sarcastic if sexuality wasn't such an obsession, women wouldn't feel the need to cover and "speak harsh" in tone, etc.

The difference being of course that every "easy girl" in the West is so eager to flaunt her sexuality. I'm not abstinence for life of course :areyoucra

Merely that sexuality has become an obsession in the West to the point that it is a status symbol.

i'd love to hear what you've written so far.

Oh I haven't written anything, I'm just reading through another prominent scholar's work

 

[outhouse]

Do you have any idea how destructive that is to a womans freedom?

doesnt have anything to do with her freedom at all. A issue of culture and freedom are two different things.

They are free to play or not.

Here in what is relevant is that women are free to do as they want

if you want to dress up in the full on burqa or what ever you want to wear you a free to create your own world and cultural situation.

This is either "Freedom to choose" or forced by society and law.

FREEDOM always wins

 

[outhouse]

2. It was directed at outhouse who is denying the negative effects of popular culture among youth.

your post are generally pretty intellegent

this one however has nothing to do with a dress code.

if your assuming dress code causes this exact behavior your sadly mistaken and reaching to justify your belief for a dress code