How Can We Identify True Worship?

[Katzpur]

We are warned to the dangers of the internet, it is very much like a power tool, if your are careful, it is a very usefull and time saving tool, used carelessly , it can bring disaster, SPIRITUALLY AND PHYSICALLY. We are also warned about the amount of time we get involved with it, it CAN be a real obsession for a lot of people, that is why i am on here very sparingly, much more usefull things to spend my free time on.....BUT.....like Deeje, if just one thing the bible shows, helps just 1 person, then we are happy !

I'd say "Good for her," except that for every 1 person she "helps," I can guarantee that she alienates another 99. Not a great track record, IMO.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Delusion is a funny thing.....no one knows that they are.
Delusion is a person's reality.

I believe that we are all a work in progress. Imperfection is not something we can overcome in this world. But I understand what Jesus meant when he said we would "know the truth" and that it would "set us free". My sister and I were raised in the Church of England (as the Anglican Church was known back then) and I can tell you now that there was no truth to be found in that institution. The hypocrisy of that place drove us out of it. I went searching for the true religion, as did my sister, and we independently investigated other denominations and faiths. But unbeknownst to either of us, we both came to the same conclusion. We independently began to study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses and had all our questions answered from the Bible. Neither of us was game to tell the other that we were associating with JW's....but it just came out and we couldn't believe it.



Not reluctant at all. I just don't like painting a target on my back. I have been in enough shooting galleries to just post my views and allow the responses to come as they will. I don't have to respond to the target shooters.

What a wonderful experience, my sister! I love hearing about how individuals became Witnesses, i.e., found Jehovah! As Jesus said, it's His Father's truth! -- Luke 10:21

 

[djhwoodwerks]

What a wonderful experience, my sister! I love hearing about how individuals became Witnesses, i.e., found Jehovah! As Jesus said, it's His Father's truth! -- Luke 10:21

It is amazing isn't it? People don't like to hear or think about how God has an absolute right to send the people that reject Him to an everlasting punishment if He so chooses. So they get scared and start looking for something else they makes them safe.

2Ti 4:3-4 (ESVST) 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Just finding a group that teaches what makes one feel safe, doesn't make that group righteous!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

What a wonderful experience, my sister! I love hearing about how individuals became Witnesses, i.e., found Jehovah! As Jesus said, it's His Father's truth! -- Luke 10:21

Mat 11:27-30 (ESVST) 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Jn 6:37 (ESVST) 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Jn 7:37 (ESVST) 37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, " If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.

I'm so glad I found Jesus!

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Also, if you go around insulting other people by telling them their beliefs are corrupt, a lie from Satan, "the world" is evil and is controlled by Satan, they're delusional, they're not God's children because they're not part of some small cult, the end of the world is coming soon and they're on the side of evil, etc. you're going to get negative reactions from people. That's anti-social behavior and anti-social behavior has negative social consequences. It also creates a self-fulfilling prophecy in that such people already believe that they are "persecuted by the world" and then their anti-social, nasty behavior causes people to dislike them, which only reinforces their already held presumption. Unfortunate that they cannot think clearly enough to see it from a more objective point of view.

I don't think Deeje was attacking individuals. Telling a person, that what they've been told has been corrupted, does not equate with telling them that they are corrupt.

Regarding the world and Satan, please read 1 John 5:19; Luke 4:5-6; John 14:30; compare James 4:4 and Revelation 12:9.

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we believe that the Scriptures teach there are only two supernatural, invisible forces at work in the Earth today....God's and Satan's, no others. With this in mind, reading Jesus' words at Matthew 7:21-23 is eye-opening! He said people would be saying "Lord, Lord" and doing "powerful works" in his name, but obviously without his backing. So it begs the question, where would these ones be getting this power? It's a serious situation......but we don't want to come across as berating people. We try to be showing love to everyone, especially those searching for God!

Take care, my friend.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Mat 11:27-30 (ESVST) 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. 28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Jn 6:37 (ESVST) 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.

Jn 7:37 (ESVST) 37 On the last day of the feast, the great day, Jesus stood up and cried out, " If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.

I'm so glad I found Jesus!

As Jesus said, 'all authority has been given Him (Matthew 28:18)', and He teaches his Father's truth, to those whom his Father "reveals" it.

 

[savagewind]

how individuals ...... found Jehovah!

Think about it. Since the very beginning Jehovah has not been far off from anybody and now God can be found with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses and only with the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses

As Jesus said, it's His Father's truth! -- Luke 10:21

they "found Jehovah" and that is "His Father's truth. What is? That people will find Jehovah in the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses?
I think the Bible says that God's will is to know Jehovah. What does the Bible say about finding Jehovah?

Try googling, "finding Jehovah". You get no Bible verse. Do you?

 

[savagewind]

I don't think Deeje was attacking individuals. Telling a person, that what they've been told has been corrupted, does not equate with telling them that they are corrupt.

My sin, according to @Deeje, is that I disagree with some JW dogma and for it I shall be judged for destruction. So according to JWs I am corrupt because I think differently. If you don't believe it you should definitely review some things.

 

[savagewind]

I think I read @Hockeycowboy that you are an elder of the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
For how long? Do you not know that God isn't for "finding"? Why would you say that?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

As Jehovah's Witnesses, we believe that the Scriptures teach there are only two supernatural, invisible forces at work in the Earth today....God's and Satan's, no others. With this in mind, reading Jesus' words at Matthew 7:21-23 is eye-opening! He said people would be saying "Lord, Lord" and doing "powerful works" in his name, but obviously without his backing. So it begs the question, where would these ones be getting this power? It's a serious situation......but we don't want to come across as berating people. We try to be showing love to everyone, especially those searching for God!

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Are you suggesting that the mighty works these people did "in the name of Jesus" was accomplished by satan?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

As Jesus said, 'all authority has been given Him (Matthew 28:18)', and He teaches his Father's truth, to those whom his Father "reveals" it.

That's exactly what He said,

Mat 28:18 (ESVST) 18 And Jesus came and said to them, " All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Mat 28:18 (NWT) 18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth

How much authority? "ALL" authority in heaven and on earth", so what does that leave for anyone else? Look real hard now, does it say "ALL" or does it say "MOST", or does it say "ALL OTHER"?

 

[savagewind]

That's exactly what He said,

Mat 28:18 (ESVST) 18 And Jesus came and said to them, " All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Mat 28:18 (NWT) 18 Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth

How much authority? "ALL" authority in heaven and on earth", so what does that leave for anyone else? Look real hard now, does it say "ALL" or does it say "MOST", or does it say "ALL OTHER"?

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks Jesus gave all authority to the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses. Have you not heard?
Matthew 24:45-47 Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household....Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions.
Idioms
48.
in charge,

1. in command; having supervisory power.
2. British. under arrest; in or into the custody of the police.

 

[savagewind]

I think @Deeje can't answer my questions and the Jehovah's Witness elders online won't.

If a question is asked whose answer is not written in the Watchtower and it isn't addressed before Jesus comes back to take the rest of the 144,000 to Heaven with him, how will it ever be answered?

 

[David1967]

And that's what I like about you. We're all pretty much in the same boat, and it takes humility to recognize that.

And I like that about you as well Katz.

 

[kerndog]

I'd say "Good for her," except that for every 1 person she "helps," I can guarantee that she alienates another 99. Not a great track record, IMO.

Wich is exactly why Jesus said his true followers would be comparatively few in number.....MATT.7:13,14 ...at....LUKE 13:23,24....He said same thing, only this time he said we would have to work very hard at it, the Greek word used there is...STRONGS #G75....KJV uses the word "STRIVE", other translations use other words to describe the effort involved, the NWT uses the word "VIGOROUSLY"....Look up the meaning and see wich word does a better job of describing the meaning of this greek word. Sadly, most people do not want to put the time and effort it takes to accomplish this, thus they get led down the wrong , wide , spacous path to their detriment, people hate being wrong, and like in Jesus day, they will hate you for exposing it !

 

[Katzpur]

Wich is exactly why Jesus said his true followers would be comparatively few in number.....MATT.7:13,14 ...at....LUKE 13:23,24....He said same thing, only this time he said we would have to work very hard at it, the Greek word used there is...STRONGS #G75....KJV uses the word "STRIVE", other translations use other words to describe the effort involved, the NWT uses the word "VIGOROUSLY"....Look up the meaning and see wich word does a better job of describing the meaning of this greek word. Sadly, most people do not want to put the time and effort it takes to accomplish this, thus they get led down the wrong , wide , spacous path to their detriment, people hate being wrong, and like in Jesus day, they will hate you for exposing it !

I'm sorry, but somehow I can't think that Jesus is going to be very pleased to know that we brought one soul to Him and in the process, drove 99 away. (By the way, why don't you look up the meaning of "wich" and tell me what you find.)

 

[kerndog]

Yeah, I guess He knew the JWs were going to be driving them away. If Jesus truly wants people to come to Him, I can't imagine He'd be very happy at all when He sees one person do so much to turn so many away from Him. (By the way, why don't you look up the meaning of "wich" and tell me what you find.)

I have talked to many LDS, i guess i should have known better !

 

[Katzpur]

I have talked to many LDS, i guess i should have known better !

It looks as if we were both posting at the same time. You quoted my original post, which is okay. I was changing it at the time you were responding, though. Perhaps you would be so good as to actually address the point I raised (in my revised post).

 

[kerndog]

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Are you suggesting that the mighty works these people did "in the name of Jesus" was accomplished by satan?

Are you actually serious ? I know you have got to know how many attrocities have been done "IN JESUS NAME" down to and including our day !!