2 Chronicles 15:2....."Jehovah is with you as long as you remain with him; and if you search for him, he will let himself be found by you, but if you abandon him, he will abandon you."
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How Can We Identify True Worship?
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2 Chronicles 15:2....."Jehovah is with you as long as you remain with him; and if you search for him, he will let himself be found by you, but if you abandon him, he will abandon you."
Answer the question. They're not getting their power from Jesus, or his Father! He said he "never knew" them! So, where are they getting this power?
djhwoodwerks
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Yes I know, "atrocities", thinking they were doing God service. These people were casting out demons and prophesying in Jesus name, not killing people. How do you think they could cast out demons and do mighty works in Jesus' name? They knew the power in His name. Why do you think He didn't "know" them? Because they didn't have a personal relationship with Him.
djhwoodwerks
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Not from satan! They were casting out demons, and what did Jesus say?
Mat 12:25-26 (ESVST) 25 Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, " Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. 26 And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
It wasn't satan doing what they did in Jesus' name.
djhwoodwerks
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How bout trying the New Testament! This was before Jesus. Who are we to go to now?
Exactly. "Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand."
2 Thess 2:9, 10:
But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved.
Satan's kingdom will not stand and the "house" that is Christendom is also divided against itself...it won't stand either.
The same one Jesus did, you know, the god he prayed to , the god whose name he made known to his followers and others.....JOHN 17:26....you know, his God ....our God....JOHN 20:17....REV.3:12.....EPH.1:17....simple !
NOT KILLING PEOPLE ? Would you like some quotes from the clergy here in the U.S. and the U.K. during WW I, in what they called a "HOLY WAR" against people of the same exact faith, Catholic and Protestant, these clergymen use some very graphic terms in how they felt about their fellow "CHRISTIANS" !............hummmm, ....holy war....where have i heard that term used before ?
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You forget.....they said they were "casting out demons" in His name. Satan could make it look that way, that these ones were really doing it, simply to mislead. Those demons would just leave on their own, but still hang around. Satan is a Master at deception!
So true, kerndog!
G.K. Chesterton once wrote, "Christianity hasn't been tried and found wanting.....it has been found difficult and not tried"!
I mean, who wants to incur the wrath of governments, by not supporting them in their wars?
But Jesus' commandment of love takes precedence over man-made "laws"!
OK. Good job but I think that won't cut it.
If you have some time meditate on the word for found.
Joshua 17:16 same word is used here: The people of Joseph replied, "The hill country is not enough for us, and all the Canaanites who live in the plain have chariots fitted with iron, both those in Beth Shan and its settlements and those in the Valley of Jezreel.
Josiah removed all the detestable idols from all the territory belonging to the Israelites, and he had all who were present in Israel serve the LORD their God. As long as he lived, they did not fail to follow the LORD, the God of their ancestors.
So 2 Chronicles 15:2 probably says, Jehovah is with you as you with him and you seek him he is present Acts of the Apostles 17:27
1 Timothy 6:15-16 15which God will bring about in His own time—He who is blessed and the only Sovereign One, the King of kings and Lord of lords. 16He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seenHim, nor can anyone see Him. To Him be honor andeternal dominion! Amen.
Job 37:22-24 22"Out of the north comes golden splendor; Around God is awesome majesty. 23"The Almighty-- we cannot find Him; He is exalted in power And He will not do violence to justice and abundant righteousness.24"Therefore men fear Him; He does not regard any who are wise of heart."
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Psychology and mind over matter. The mind can do things because humans are made in God's image. I would not call it power. It is skill.
A house divided can not stand. You have the demons doing good works but are they still standing? According to the JWs they are.
I believe the scripture. I do not believe the translated word found.
2 Chronicles in the NWT can't be true if 1 Timothy 6:16 is true.
John 14:6...."No one goes to the Father except through me."
So, who are we to 'go to'? That has never changed! It's not through sacrifices at the Temple, anymore; only "through" Jesus.
Just wondering how you're gonna spin this one, now.
djhwoodwerks
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I'm working on my "spin" for this one. In the mean time, would you mind giving your explanation on the following?
Does "ALL" really mean, "ALL" or did Jesus know we would read between the lines and understand that He meant "MOST" or "ALL OTHER" authority was given to Him?
If He has "ALL" authority in heaven, what does that leave for anyone else? If He has "ALL" authority on earth, what does that leave for anyone else?
In the OT, God was King, as of 1914 Jesus became King. How many Kings are in the Kingdom of God?
@djhwoodwerks I think what you are trying to say is that now until 1 Corinthians 15:24 Jehovah has no power because ALL power and authority is given Jesus Christ. So that they who say to find Jehovah is the right religion are misleading them. It is to find God's son right now. They do not do that. In fact, they can't even say where Jesus is in relation to the table of Jehovah.
It can't be find Jehovah because once you find something the search is over. Also, once you find something you have it. Are Jehovah's Witnesses saying that they have Jehovah?
djhwoodwerks
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Not surprising a watchtower member would be quoting G.K. Chesterton!
Chesterton was born in Campden Hill in Kensington, London, the son of Marie Louise, nee Grosjean, and Edward Chesterton.[9][10] He was baptized at the age of one month into the Church of England,[11] though his family themselves were irregularly practising Unitarians.[12] According to his autobiography, as a young man Chesterton became fascinated with the occult and, along with his brother Cecil, experimented with Ouija boards.[13]
Chesterton was educated at St Paul's School, then attended the Slade School of Art in order to become an illustrator. The Slade is a department of University College London, where Chesterton also took classes in literature, but did not complete a degree in either subject.
Family life
Chesterton married Frances Blogg in 1901; the marriage lasted the rest of his life. Chesterton credited Frances with leading him back to Anglicanism, though he later considered Anglicanism to be a "pale imitation". He entered full communion with the Catholic Church in 1922.[14]
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