How can you justify the sheer complexity that evolution would have to evolve?

[Sargonski]

More silly slang, name calling and funny faces. Nothing of consequence.

You were the one running around calling names sunnyD .. so don't blame me .. cause your really mad that you Got Chaos theory backwards .. and missed the invisible hand .. and now got no argument on which to stand

 

[YoursTrue]

Is it that you disagree with the answers I gave or is it you dislike the answers I gave?

Seems to me you are merely disliking the answers.
If so, why specifically do you dislike them?

Is it that you honestly do not understand the answers?
If that is the case you will have to find someone else to explain them.
I have no idea how to dumb them down any further.

OK, so do you believe there were no mammals during the Devonian period because God had not created them yet?

 

[John53]

I never said they are lying.

So you agree there is evidence for evolution in the fossil record?

 

[shunyadragon]

You were the one running around calling names sunnyD .. so don't blame me .. cause your really mad that you Got Chaos theory backwards .. and missed the invisible hand .. and now got no argument on which to stand

More silly slang, name calling and funny faces. Nothing of consequence.

 

[shunyadragon]

Someone said recently that it is amazing that all this life came out of a strip of cells. My answer to that is: yup. It sure is amazing...

No one said that, as usual you have a creative imagination to justify your mythology.

 

[YoursTrue]

No one said that, as usual you have a creative imagination to justify your mythology.

No one here said that, but scientists say, and many agree, that life evolved from single cellular structures. Evolution of cells - Wikipedia

 

[YoursTrue]

No one said that, as usual you have a creative imagination to justify your mythology.

You are bringing up mythology. Back to the chaotic soup. Evolution of cells - Wikipedia

 

[YoursTrue]

So you agree there is evidence for evolution in the fossil record?

First it would help for you to explain about the Devonian period and why you figure God did not create mammals during that period. Thanks.

 

[Astrophile]

Let me rephrase then. Do you or scientists that study this stuff know which type of fish began morphing (I mean evolving naturally) to be the next step (whatever it is) in the lineup to be an "old ape" maybe? And then of course, new apes I suppose.

Yes, it was lobe-finned fishes (sarcopterygians) that evolved into tetrapods. If you google 'fish to tetrapod evolution' you will find many websites to provide information on this subject.

 

[John53]

First it would help for you to explain about the Devonian period and why you figure God did not create mammals during that period. Thanks.

How about you answer some of my questions. I'm sick of answering yours then you running off and not answering mine.

 

[Astrophile]

The argument is that there is nothing to prove or evidence (whichever word you choose) that water dwelling fish emerged from water, developed lungs and feet over a long period of time (by mutation and/or natural selection) and then eventually some of them became (evolved to) humans while others did not, in other words, stayed the same without evolving to such. Fossil evidence does not technically demonstrate the motions necessary to effect those changes. Therefore, to summarize from the fossil evidence that fish eventually evolved to be land dwellers, including humans is assumption accepted by many on the part of science.

You have completely missed my point, that the tetrapods of the late Devonian period must have had early Devonian and Silurian ancestors, and that these ancestors should be represented in the fossil record.

Without knowing anything about you, I can say with complete certainty that you have (or had) a mother and a father, grandparents, great-grandparents, great-great grandparents and so on, extending back indefinitely into the past. The existence of pre-Devonian ancestors of Devonian tetrapods is equally certain.

 

[McBell]

OK, so do you believe there were no mammals during the Devonian period because God had not created them yet?

Makes sense.
I mean, if god had already made mammals, why were they non present?

What is your reasoning for there being no mammals during that time?
Was it because god had not made them yet?
Is it because mammals had not evolved yet?

Perhaps you have yet another explanation?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I really think you are unwilling to teach because you know you have no substance to really present.

There you go making false claims again. If you really believed that you would not be so afraid and would take me up on my offer to show me wrong. Instead you ran away, A tacit acknowledgment that I was right.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

There is all kinds of evidence proving a global flood did not happen

Your explanations provide no answers as to how the megafauna ended up within - sometimes deep within - the Permafrost.
And the “evidence” you claim, is really arguments from shallow-thinkers, such as the “all the vegetation would have rotted” argument. Or this one: “the Ark couldn’t have withstood all those stresses.” Or this gem: “how did the animals get back to their original environments?”

Keep in mind, it was a controlled event was it not?

Did God want to kill all the vegetation? No.
God doesn’t have the ability to protect who or what He wants from a catastrophe?
Of course He can.
If as the account implies God brought the animals to Noah, would He have the ability to take them back? Of course.

Genesis specifically states that Jehovah God Himself caused the waters above to ’pour down’ (Genesis 6:12), and the waters below to “burst forth.” - Genesis 6:11
Are we to assume then that Jehovah God did nothing else?

But we do have evidence that resulted from the Flood. It can be found here:

Flood Evidences — revised

Global Flood evidence: ***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright...

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Best wishes.

 

[McBell]

First it would help for you to explain about the Devonian period and why you figure God did not create mammals during that period. Thanks.

First it would help you to actually learn about the Devonian Period before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
And since god is in YOUR realm, not ours, it seems to me that it is on YOU to explain why your favourite chosen deity had not created mammals yet.

Of course, now we are getting right back into your blatant double standards.
A topic you run from tail tucked every time it is brought up.

 

[McBell]

Your explanations provide no answers as to how the megafauna ended up within - sometimes deep within - the Permafrost.
And the “evidence” you claim, is really arguments from shallow-thinkers, such as the “all the vegetation would have rotted” argument. Or this one: “the Ark couldn’t have withstood all those stresses.” Or this gem: “how did the animals get back to their original environments?”

Keep in mind, it was a controlled event was it not?

Did God want to kill all the vegetation? No.
God doesn’t have the ability to protect who or what He wants from a catastrophe?
Of course He can.
If as the account implies God brought the animals to Noah, would He have the ability to take them back? Of course.

Genesis specifically states that Jehovah God Himself caused the waters above to ’pour down’ (Genesis 6:12), and the waters below to “burst forth.” - Genesis 6:11
Are we to assume then that Jehovah God did nothing else?

But we do have evidence that resulted from the Flood. It can be found here:

Flood Evidences — revised

Global Flood evidence: ***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright...

www.religiousforums.com

Best wishes.

"GodDidIt" only works on choir members.

Now since it is painfully obvious you are not very good at answering questions from non choir members...

 

[Subduction Zone]

Your explanations provide no answers as to how the megafauna ended up within - sometimes deep within - the Permafrost.
And the “evidence” you claim, is really arguments from shallow-thinkers, such as the “all the vegetation would have rotted” argument. Or this one: “the Ark couldn’t have withstood all those stresses.” Or this gem: “how did the animals get back to their original environments?”

Keep in mind, it was a controlled event was it not?

Did God want to kill all the vegetation? No.
God doesn’t have the ability to protect who or what He wants from a catastrophe?
Of course He can.
If as the account implies God brought the animals to Noah, would He have the ability to take them back? Of course.

Genesis specifically states that Jehovah God Himself caused the waters above to ’pour down’ (Genesis 6:12), and the waters below to “burst forth.” - Genesis 6:11
Are we to assume then that Jehovah God did nothing else?

But we do have evidence that resulted from the Flood. It can be found here:

Flood Evidences — revised

Global Flood evidence: ***1.Vast herds of grazing animals, perhaps millions of them, discovered within the permafrost (called muck fields by some, due to the mud mixed in from previous melting), in the Alaskan and Yukon regions. In the Siberian permafrost, a few have been discovered upright...

www.religiousforums.com

Best wishes.

How many hundreds of times does this have to be refuted? In fact you refute it yourself. Prove that the frozen carcasses were "deep" within the permafrost? Your inability to support that claim alone refutes your nonsense.

In the past you conflated estimates of how many critters there are in the permafrost with how deep they are in the permafrost.

 

[Subduction Zone]

And just for @Hockeycowboy here is your favorite picture that refutes your flood:

 

[gnostic]

Genesis specifically states that Jehovah God Himself caused the waters above to ’pour down’ (Genesis 6:12), and the waters below to “burst forth.” - Genesis 6:11

The ”water above” as in, there are water above the “dome” or “firmament”, as claimed in the Genesis 1:7?

Genesis 1:7-8
7 So God made the dome and separated the waters that were under the dome from the waters that were above the dome. And it was so. 8 God called the dome Sky.

From that context, the whole “sky” in 1:8, is under this dome, hence there are water above the sky.

Then on day 4, it stated in the following verses:

Genesis 1:14-18
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the dome of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. 17 God set them in the dome of the sky to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness.

That means that God created the Sun, Moon and stars in “the dome of the sky”. Which would means there are water BEYOND THE SUN, MOON & STARS!

Do you really not see these 2 quoted passages, are not just logically incorrect, it is also factually incorrect as in NOT BASED IN NATURAL REALITY????!!!!

If you seriously believed in Genesis 7:11 (you have mis-cited the verse from the wrong chapter - 6:11), came from ”above the dome”, then you would have to believe that the rain water came from BEYOND the observable stars.

No matter you read Genesis Creation and Flood, the author is wrong, and don’t know what he was talking about, and you being the science-illiterate that you are, you didn’t even notice the author’s errors. You just took the author’s words without thinking.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, it was lobe-finned fishes (sarcopterygians) that evolved into tetrapods. If you google 'fish to tetrapod evolution' you will find many websites to provide information on this subject.

Someone here said that mammals were not there during the Devonian period because God did not create mammals during the Devonian period. How do you feel about that, do you agree that there were no mammals during the Devonian period?