Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Any evidence contrary to the bible would be "Satan's trickery" from the biblical perspective.
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how did man appear on earth
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Any evidence contrary to the bible would be "Satan's trickery" from the biblical perspective.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
you call logical finding a ferrari in the middle of a jungle? the theory of evolution is much more illogical than any other thing you or anyone else will ever come across. "evolution" which infact is the lowest form of science, as stated by some well known scientist-evolutionist-materialists, is nothing but a dogmatic beleif, and people like you accept it with a blind beleif. the evolutionist have covered themself in this mess so much that they will make any fairy tale to save their skin.
evolution states that some gasses in the atmosphere at primordal earth reacted and formed a amino acid by chance, whose structure has a 1 over 10 to the power of 950. you do know how small that number is, don't you.so how can all of this just be a result of chance?
this is the theory of evolution in other words; a brick was randomly created by chance, after 1 million years, another brick was created by chance (the same shape and form), and the first brick was not dammaged and it didn't deteriorate for 1 million years. then when a house full of bricks were created some billions of years later, under natural conditions may i add, the bricks never got broken and all were created at the same spot. then they climbed over each other and made a house, they left room for the windows, and the doors, etc, by chance, they werent tolled that a glass material would go there they just happened to leave room for something. then the concrete washed the house and made the bricks intact. thus a house was formed. now if you or anyone else beleives this "evolutionary" story of mine then all of you would be the dumbest people i have ever come across (note you already beleive this story,) and if you do not beleive in this story then why do you beleive in the evolution theory, it is the same sequence, and the same dogmatic story.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
do you know what? yes it does, BIG TIME.
if you prove that a protein cannot be formed in natural conditions then the whole story id dead. do you wish for me to prove that? actually i will go a bit beyound the protein i will speak about the amino acids, the building blocks of the protein. would you like me to do that?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
can you tell me of a logic process in theevolution theory. i'm very interested in knowing them. i will have a guess first OK.
here goes;
monkey + time = man, is this it?
claping hands + time = wings, what about this, do you have any others?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Wow. Those are some pretty **** poor analogies. You can't compare genetics and organic life forms to artificially manufactured constructs, and evolution is a gradual process rather than an abrupt one. Evolution is easily observable in nature (what do you think antibiotic resistance is, or why animals in arctic areas have white fur, or why poached elephants are beginning to have smaller tusks?), there is countless amounts of evidence to support it, and it makes logical sense and is completely feasible to those who've actually studied and understand the theory. Research and education are your friends. Apparently intellect is an enemy of Islam.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Nope. Not even close. Back to school with you.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ok i'm glad you made this point.
it is said that a ape like creature evolved into a homo sapien, right.
evolution states this " only the fittest creatures survive in nature, thus the weak dies" did you know that a human is the most vulnerable creature on the planet. a huma cannot run 125 km an hour like a cheetah, and if it was chased by a bear it could not outrunn it. then why did monkeys evolve into a voulnerable creature such as a human. when human evolved from monkeys they weren't born with weapons in their hads, thus they would have been killed and eaten by stronger and more powerfull animals in the animal kingdom, please explain this for me then, if my previous example wasn't enough for you.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
so then you give me a logical example, or should i say give me evolution, a ILLOGICAL EXAMPLE that isn't even a science. i will give you the exact words of the worlds most famous scientist who said that.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
By out smarting would-be predators and by developing tools such as spears to defend ourselves with, and by being social animals that live in packs.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ok wont you develop a starwars-like weapon (ie, laser fire) you do have the technology, but it takes time to do it, it doesn't just happen imediately, how can you protect your self from death, i mean death as in death, it won't ever happen, and even if it did it certainly wont now, but in time, ie. the future. thus proving you wrong again.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Care to rephrase that so it's somewhat coherent?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
yeah sure.
you do know that something to protect you will exist right. so you do not the knowledge at the moment to create it, thus you would need time for it, leading in your death and that of many other humans untill that time, which means that untill that time you are all unpotected, wich means that you are voulnerable to other powerfull creatures. when a child is born it has no idea what a weapon is, but it takes many years of experience to realise it.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
A child is protected by it's parents, who in turn are protected by the pack with whom they live, travel and hunt with. Just as how modern primates rely on smarts and their pack mates to outsmart and outnumber predators.
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
Ahh, but you forget seem to have forgotten something: humans are definitely the most creative species. We build fires, made makeshift houses, created clothing - and look at what we have now. I'm typing to you, and you're across the world. You're hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from me.
There is a nice little niche for creativity and intelligence. In fact, it's probably the best niche to be in. A strong creature can still be fooled into a trap, thereby securing a nice tasty meal, or at least, one less strong creature to harass us.
One does wonder, then, why would Allah have made humans so "weak and powerless"?
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Breathe
Hostis humani generis
I agree.
Halcyon
Lord of the Badgers
Exactly, which is why early hominids were a tasty snack for many a critter - it's a good thing we breed like rabbits.
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Originally Posted by eselam
did you know that a human is the most vulnerable creature on the planet. a huma cannot run 125 km an hour like a cheetah, and if it was chased by a bear it could not outrunn it. then why did monkeys evolve into a voulnerable creature such as a human. when human evolved from monkeys they weren't born with weapons in their hads, thus they would have been killed and eaten by stronger and more powerfull animals in the animal kingdom, please explain this for me then, if my previous example wasn't enough for you.
Quote..... Odion-----Ahh, but you forget seem to have forgotten something: humans are definitely the most creative species. We build fires, made makeshift houses, created clothing - and look at what we have now. I'm typing to you, and you're across the world. You're hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from me.
There is a nice little niche for creativity and intelligence. In fact, it's probably the best niche to be in. A strong creature can still be fooled into a trap, thereby securing a nice tasty meal, or at least, one less strong creature to harass us.
One does wonder, then, why would Allah have made humans so weak and powerless
It is not surprising that mankind is the most creative of all species, for we were created in the image and likeness of the creator of all that is. Only a fool would look at the complexity and beauty of the creation and believe that it simply came into existence through the process’ of random chance and that there is no creator. To understand the creator God we only have to look at his earthly image, the multi celled androgynous body of (Adam) mankind. How many are there who would look at the space shuttle and the ground control system without which the space shuttle would be useless, and believe that it had no designer and that it had come into existence through random chance? Not too many I would suggest, but only the fools would believe that it was not created through the long and slow gradual process of the evolution of the mind of man. When one of the most ancient human ancestors watched a log roll down a hill and thereafter created the first wheel, He did not turn to his partners and say, “There you are, I have just created the first component that will go into the creation of our future space shuttle.”
From the first wheel, the first primitive wheel barrow was created, then the multi wooden wheeled cart, etc, etc, each creation being the expression of the height to which the mind of the creator had evolved to at that point in time: over the tens of thousands of years and the billions and billions of creations, the mind of man had evolved to the point where it contained the necessary data and infrastructure to create the Space shuttle and all its supporting infrastructure; and so it is with the invisible mind that is God in whose image and likeness mankind was created, the creation at any given point in time is merely the expression and visible manifestation of the eternal growing or evolving invisible mind that is God. Show to me a mind that has ceased to evolve, and I will show to you a mind that has ceased to live.
Originally Posted by eselam
did you know that a human is the most vulnerable creature on the planet. a huma cannot run 125 km an hour like a cheetah, and if it was chased by a bear it could not outrunn it. then why did monkeys evolve into a voulnerable creature such as a human. when human evolved from monkeys they weren't born with weapons in their hads, thus they would have been killed and eaten by stronger and more powerfull animals in the animal kingdom, please explain this for me then, if my previous example wasn't enough for you.
Quote..... Odion-----Ahh, but you forget seem to have forgotten something: humans are definitely the most creative species. We build fires, made makeshift houses, created clothing - and look at what we have now. I'm typing to you, and you're across the world. You're hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from me.
There is a nice little niche for creativity and intelligence. In fact, it's probably the best niche to be in. A strong creature can still be fooled into a trap, thereby securing a nice tasty meal, or at least, one less strong creature to harass us.
One does wonder, then, why would Allah have made humans so weak and powerless
It is not surprising that mankind is the most creative of all species, for we were created in the image and likeness of the creator of all that is. Only a fool would look at the complexity and beauty of the creation and believe that it simply came into existence through the process’ of random chance and that there is no creator. To understand the creator God we only have to look at his earthly image, the multi celled androgynous body of (Adam) mankind. How many are there who would look at the space shuttle and the ground control system without which the space shuttle would be useless, and believe that it had no designer and that it had come into existence through random chance? Not too many I would suggest, but only the fools would believe that it was not created through the long and slow gradual process of the evolution of the mind of man. When one of the most ancient human ancestors watched a log roll down a hill and thereafter created the first wheel, He did not turn to his partners and say, “There you are, I have just created the first component that will go into the creation of our future space shuttle.”
From the first wheel, the first primitive wheel barrow was created, then the multi wooden wheeled cart, etc, etc, each creation being the expression of the height to which the mind of the creator had evolved to at that point in time: over the tens of thousands of years and the billions and billions of creations, the mind of man had evolved to the point where it contained the necessary data and infrastructure to create the Space shuttle and all its supporting infrastructure; and so it is with the invisible mind that is God in whose image and likeness mankind was created, the creation at any given point in time is merely the expression and visible manifestation of the eternal growing or evolving invisible mind that is God. Show to me a mind that has ceased to evolve, and I will show to you a mind that has ceased to live.
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