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How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

Oryonder

Active Member
this is a very negative aspect of religion

people read into scripture and pull out what ever their imagination allows, just because ancient men used their imagination in mythology.

inthis case they are pulling out satan where there obviously was never a satan figure in a mythical garden.. Its why people go to church and have priest teach them. The common ignorant man doesnt have the faculties or knowledge to interpret scripture without help. taking a ignorant defiant stance not only gives religion a bad name but has a negative impact on society.


the worse thing is this severe ignorance makes people in the USA look stupid as we are one of the few countries that have a problem with this.

In a Gallop poll (2001) a whopping 45% of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. 16% .. roughly 1 in 6 believe that "only" creationism should be taught in school.

1 in 6 people walking around out there think they should be able to force their creationist beliefs on everyone else. This is sad sad commentary indeed.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
My conclusions are at least based on reason and evidence.

There is no reason nor evidence that you have provided for yoru idea that the exodus was 1 million people.

There is all kinds of evidence for continuous civilizations which negates the Biblical flood story. These are not my conclusions but the conclusions of all legitimate archaeologists and historians.

What evidence for your sites conclusions? Reason? which you refuse to extent to the Israelites?
It seems that the only reasoning you are doing is to deny GOD the power to Care for the Million(approx.) persons that came out of Egypt.(plus their animals.)

"Continuious civilizations" which happened after the Flood and during the "scattering" from only strengthens the Bibilical events.
It is those "archaeologists and historians" who Deny GOD---who theorize differently.In fact, they have come no closer in their theorizations to the "origins" than to move the dates from 1 Million to more than 14 Billion years presently.
Again, those plants and Animals I see from my window, attest to the fact that there IS a Creator GOD. Mankind can not show one thing he has brought into "being" from nothing.

Satan, the father of lies, is still deluding mankind with his lies in opposition to the truths of the Creator GOD.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
In a Gallop poll (2001) a whopping 45% of Americans believe that God created humans in their present form within the last 10,000 years. 16% .. roughly 1 in 6 believe that "only" creationism should be taught in school.

1 in 6 people walking around out there think they should be able to force their creationist beliefs on everyone else. This is sad sad commentary indeed.

The sad commentary is that evolutionist have been forcing their beliefs upon the people via the educational system with the help of the legal system for many years now. I'm surprised that it is as high as 1 in 6.
However, anyone who is trusting in the marjority of people as being right/understanding and truths of GOD is in for a rude awakening. HIS WORD AND THE PROPHETS SAY OTHERWISE.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
The sad commentary is that evolutionist have been forcing their beliefs upon the people via the educational system with the help of the legal system for many years now. I'm surprised that it is as high as 1 in 6.
However, anyone who is trusting in the marjority of people as being right/understanding and truths of GOD is in for a rude awakening. HIS WORD AND THE PROPHETS SAY OTHERWISE.

:facepalm:
 

Oryonder

Active Member
What evidence for your sites conclusions? Reason? which you refuse to extent to the Israelites?
It seems that the only reasoning you are doing is to deny GOD the power to Care for the Million(approx.) persons that came out of Egypt.(plus their animals.)

Im not sure what site you are referring to ? I need not provide evidence for number of 1 million because I am not making that claim. You have given zero valid evidence for this claim.. Biblical or otherwise.

Evidence against your claim is difficulty in providing food and water for 1 Million (and their animals), wandering around in a desert.

I do not deny the power of God to feed folks. Evidence to the contrary is that if God had done this then the Israelites, having first hand proof of a "real God", would have had some respect for this God.

Even Moses own brother did not believe in this God.



"Continuious civilizations" which happened after the Flood and during the "scattering" from only strengthens the Bibilical events.

How so ? These civilization in China, Africa, India, South America, Europe, Egypt and Mesopotamia should all show an abrupt end.

They do not ??

It is those "archaeologists and historians" who Deny GOD---who theorize differently.In fact, they have come no closer in their theorizations to the "origins" than to move the dates from 1 Million to more than 14 Billion years presently.
Again, those plants and Animals I see from my window, attest to the fact that there IS a Creator GOD. Mankind can not show one thing he has brought into "being" from nothing.

1) many archaeologists and historians believe in God
2) Dating events 3500 years ago have nothing to do with dating events 1 million years ago.

Radio carbon dating and other chemical methods are used to confirm suspected dates 3500 years ago but it is not like 1 million years ago

Dating is done through analysis of pottery, artifacts, volcanic eruptions, climate, writing and so forth.

We know what was going on in certain time periods .. have communication between nations, and so forth.

We have a historical record of King Cyrus of Pesia. This king is recorded in the Bible and we have confimation of his existence from numerous other sources. There are archeological records, stone reliefs of him, written records of his deeds and so forth.

We know who is father was, when he became king 559 BC, battles he fought, who he ruled over and so forth.

Other cultures and people alive at the same time as Cyrus can be dated to this time period because they are mentioned.

Further, as in the case with Cyrus, we have writings from later times Josephus (Roman), Herodotus (Greek), detailing the history of Cyrus.

Kings tended to leave stele's written stone monuments to commemorate great battles and they list other Kings and peoples.

Then when we find written records from other cultures in contact with Persia... "King so and so visited Cyrus" you know that King so and so is dated to the time of Cyrus.

You look at the pottery, writing style, and say ok .. this style was around at this time period.

They when you find this style of Persian pot in a far away land .. you know that these people had trade with Persia and roughly at what time period this trade was occurring.

It is these types of things, pottery, written record and so on that validate the historical timeline .. not Carbon dating. Carbon and other material dating methods do in fact corroberate these date which further validates not only the archeological historical timeline but the science of Carbon dating, Tree ring data, Volcanic evidence and so on.

Satan, the father of lies, is still deluding mankind with his lies in opposition to the truths of the Creator GOD

If Satan is manipulating archaeology, history and science .. then we must also assume that he has tampered with the Bible.

The "Satan did it" argument fails for many reasons.

God created beings with the abilities of logic and reason. If God knows that Satan has transformed all of history, archaeology and science, then it would make God not only a trickster but irrational for thinking that these logical rational humans would believe in something so illogical and irrational.

If Satan did it then, humans have no basis for anything, including belief in the God of Abraham.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Im not sure what site you are referring to ? I need not provide evidence for number of 1 million because I am not making that claim. You have given zero valid evidence for this claim.. Biblical or otherwise.

Basically the source stites from which you are accepting their material.
Initially, I took the fact that Israel and his off-spring of 70 persons went into Egypt and over 430 years came out of Egypt with I million persons. It dawned on me tonight that the Book of Numbers(1 answered that Claim to the large part---not a total picture. Moses asked the leaders of the "Tribes" of Israel(under the LORD'S Command) to Number all the males of the camp 20 and older who were able to go to war. That figure was estimated at 603,550 abled bodied persons.
Therefore, when one adds in all the females and the males under 20 years of age(and those not fit for the rigors of war) to those who were fit, the number of persons who came out of Egypt would definitely exceed the 1 million.

Evidence against your claim is difficulty in providing food and water for 1 Million (and their animals), wandering around in a desert.

The Scriptures gave an accounting for those provisions.

I do not deny the power of God to feed folks. Evidence to the contrary is that if God had done this then the Israelites, having first hand proof of a "real God", would have had some respect for this God.

Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon. It was recorded to have happened, but you, today, had rather believe the assumptions and theories of mankind---so be it.

What god other than the Creator GOD has power over all things? Respect? Even those who knew they were created by the LORD GOD----Denied HIS LORDSHIP for and an empty promise.

sincerly said:
"Continuious civilizations" which happened after the Flood and during the "scattering" from only strengthens the Bibilical events.

How so ? These civilization in China, Africa, India, South America, Europe, Egypt and Mesopotamia should all show an abrupt end.

They do not ??

Re-read that high-lighted portion of my previous comment--above.

1) many archaeologists and historians believe in God
2) Dating events 3500 years ago have nothing to do with dating events 1 million years ago.

Radio carbon dating and other chemical methods are used to confirm suspected dates 3500 years ago but it is not like 1 million years ago

Dating is done through analysis of pottery, artifacts, volcanic eruptions, climate, writing and so forth.

Prior to that 430 year period in Egypt, the Peoples who worshiped the TRUE GOD were nomatic in their life-style moving as necessary and not building permanent buildings.
When they entered into the promise land, they took over the cities which were now deserted by the previous inhabitants(As Joshua recited to the Israelites from GOD(24:13) ---or began to assimulate contrary to the commands of GOD.
"And I have given you a land for which ye did not labour, and cities which ye built not, and ye dwell in them; of the vineyards and oliveyards which ye planted not do ye eat."
Of course, there would be some recordings of those events and the Israelites now in those lands.

We have a historical record of King Cyrus of Pesia. This king is recorded in the Bible and we have confimation of his existence from numerous other sources. There are archeological records, stone reliefs of him, written records of his deeds and so forth.

We know who is father was, when he became king 559 BC, battles he fought, who he ruled over and so forth.

Other cultures and people alive at the same time as Cyrus can be dated to this time period because they are mentioned.

The Biblical record of that same king was instrumental in the Return of the Israelites to Judea/Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the (Solomon's destroyed Temple).
The Flood and the Scattering of the people happened Approx.1776 years previous to that Cyrus Date.
The Biblical accounting referes to many peoples and encounters with the surrounding nations.
The Bible records the visits of many Kings and the Queen of Sheba's visit to Solomon long before Cyrus.
Did they find any "stele's" with disasterous events?

"IF".....
 

Oryonder

Active Member
Basically the source stites from which you are accepting their material.
Initially, I took the fact that Israel and his off-spring of 70 persons went into Egypt and over 430 years came out of Egypt with I million persons. It dawned on me tonight that the Book of Numbers(1 answered that Claim to the large part---not a total picture. Moses asked the leaders of the "Tribes" of Israel(under the LORD'S Command) to Number all the males of the camp 20 and older who were able to go to war. That figure was estimated at 603,550 abled bodied persons.
Therefore, when one adds in all the females and the males under 20 years of age(and those not fit for the rigors of war) to those who were fit, the number of persons who came out of Egypt would definitely exceed the 1 million.

If I quote something from a site I give you the link ...

Population growth does not occur the way you described.

Were the 1.5 Million Egyptians who lived in Egypt happily prior to the 70 not having Children ?

Thanks for pointing out the census in numbers .. At least we have a Biblical source. Now we have to figure out if this makes any sense.


Here is something from an actual scholar who has studied this stuff ..

…the overwhelming archaeological evidence today of largely indigenous origins for early Israel leaves no room for an exodus from Egypt or a 40-year pilgrimage through the Sinai wilderness. A Moses-like figure may have existed somewhere in southern Transjordan in the mid-late13th century B.C., where many scholars think the biblical traditions concerning the god Yahweh arose. But archaeology can do nothing to confirm such a figure as a historical personage, much less prove that he was the founder of later Israelite region.
About Leviticus and Numbers he writes that these are "clearly additions to the 'pre-history' by very late Priestly editorial hands, preoccupied with notions of ritual purity, themes of the 'promised land,' and other literary motifs that most modern readers will scarcely find edifying much less historical." Dever writes that "the whole 'Exodus-Conquest' cycle of stories must now be set aside as largely mythical, but in the proper sense of the term 'myth': perhaps 'historical fiction,' but tales told primarily to validate religious beliefs."
What Did the Bible Writers Know and When Did They Know It?

Some of the folks who support Dever directly
Those testifying for Dever's book (on the back cover) are: Paul D. Hanson, Professor of Divinity and Old Testament at Harvard University; David Noel Freedman, Professor Emeritus of Biblical Studies at the University of Michigan; Philip M. King, Professor at Boston College and author of Jeremiah; William W. Hallo, Professor of Assyriology and Babylonian Literature at Yale University; and Bernhard W. Anderson, Professor of Old Testament, Boston University and Professor Emeritus at Princeton Theological Seminary. Like Dever, these are not a bunch of radical revisionists

Some other theories can be found here:

The Exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

Oryonder

Active Member
Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon. It was recorded to have happened, but you, today, had rather believe the assumptions and theories of mankind---so be it.

What god other than the Creator GOD has power over all things? Respect? Even those who knew they were created by the LORD GOD----Denied HIS LORDSHIP for and an empty promise.
.

Neither you nor I have any clue what those who knew they were created by God did or did not do ? Who are these people that knew God who denied his Lordship for an empty promise.

Nothing in this commentary explains why Aaron and all the Israelites would return to "EL" worship so soon after seeing a "Real God" in action.

If denial is the father of lies .. then you should stop denying reality.
A century of research by archaeologists and Egyptologists has found no evidence which can be directly related to the Exodus captivity and the escape and travels through the wilderness,[16] and most archaeologists have abandoned the archaeological investigation of Moses and the Exodus as "a fruitless pursuit".[19] A number of theories have been put forward to account for the origins of the Israelites, and despite differing details they agree on Israel's Canaanite origins.[20] The culture of the earliest Israelite settlements is Canaanite, their cult-objects are those of the Canaanite god El, the pottery remains in the local Canaanite tradition, and the alphabet used is early Canaanite, and almost the sole marker distinguishing the "Israelite" villages from Canaanite sites is an absence of pig bones, although whether even this is an ethnic marker or is due to other factors remains a matter of dispute.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus#cite_note-FOOTNOTEKillebrew2005176-20

The earliest Israelite settlements had a Canaanite culture, writing, and most importantly .. worshiped "EL",

Re-read that high-lighted portion of my previous comment--above.

More denial .. Scattering does not explain "continuous civilizations"

If there was a flood .. civilization in places like China and India would have stopped.. "Full Stop". This did not happen. Pottery, art, writing evolve gradually.

There is not time where there is an abrupt stop and some other kind of culture rises up.

Further you have not explained how these different races evolved. A human does not transform from a Mesopotamian to a Chinese person over night.

We do have skeletal remains .. and you can tell the difference between a Chinese person and someone from South America. (How did these people "scatter" to South America btw ?)

Then there are the numbers of people .. Millions of them .. which did not dissappear. They are there at the same time as the flood was supposed to have happened and continue happily along without stop.

Any gap .. say of 200 years (which does not happen often and will not happen at the same time .. say within the numerous cultures that existed in China .. while one city may falter .. another is thriving) is not even remotely enough time for 8 people to scatter all over the earth to create tens of millions of people, cultures and races.

It is completely absurd for this to happen over 200 years .. and we do not even have that long. Pick any time for the flood from 2400-2200. There should be a point where there is no culture .. and everything stops .. It doesnt.

I have tried to outline evidence using "non dating methods" for those that do not accept dating science.

One dating science that is unrefutable is Ice Core's. These layers are formed every season like the tree rings .. and you can count them to a high degree of accuracy.

Ice cores show a 200,000 year history +/- a few percent. You can say that perhaps 200,000 years is only 190,000, but that would be stretching it. (Ice core dating is more likely to err on the side of less years rather than more because some layers are compacted resulting in 2 or more years only being counted as one)

These discrepancies (non distinct layers) make up only a small percentage in any case.

The idea that the Earth is only 5000 years old is utterly absurd by any scientific standard.
 

Oryonder

Active Member
The Biblical record of that same king was instrumental in the Return of the Israelites to Judea/Jerusalem and the rebuilding of the (Solomon's destroyed Temple).
The Flood and the Scattering of the people happened Approx.1776 years previous to that Cyrus Date.
The Biblical accounting referes to many peoples and encounters with the surrounding nations.
The Bible records the visits of many Kings and the Queen of Sheba's visit to Solomon long before Cyrus.
Did they find any "stele's" with disasterous events?
...

Your comment of Sheba and Solomon is a good one. ( I was just using Cyrus as an example of how dating is done without needing carbon dating)

We have all kinds of accounts of "This king ruled for X number of years and his father ruled for Y number of years" .. these can sometimes be matched up histories of other nations giving very accurate dating within a period.

There are records that a place called Sheba actually existed.

We also have such records for King Hammurapi - Babylonians 1800 BC and befor this we have the Sumerians from which the Babylonians and Assyrians descended.

Sargon of Akkad (Sumerian) is uniting the city states of Messopotamia around 2400 BC and the kings lists go back much further.

Egyptian and Sumerian writing starts around 3500 BC. These are earlier forms of writing that have not yet been diciphered so unfortunately we can ot read it even though some of the symbols are similar to stuff that can be read.

Over in Europe we have writing thousands of years earlier . Old European / Vinca writing

Over in South America we have Mayan scripts evolving as early as 3000BC.

The writing does not "stop" and start again differently as would have happened were a flood to have ocurred and wiped every one out.

And of course there scattering did not make it to South America to begin with.
 
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sincerly

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon. It was recorded to have happened, but you, today, had rather believe the assumptions and theories of mankind---so be it.
What god other than the Creator GOD has power over all things? Respect? Even those who knew they were created by the LORD GOD----Denied HIS LORDSHIP for and an empty promise.[/quote]

Neither you nor I have any clue what those who knew they were created by God did or did not do ? Who are these people that knew God who denied his Lordship for an empty promise.

Oryonder, your posts attest to the fact that you are "clueless". However, Deut.29:29, tells a different fact for those who BELIEVE rather than "Deny" HIM.
"The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.".
Adam and Eve knew that the Almighty Creator GOD made them and all things. They listened to another created being and his lies---empty promises of non-ending life and wisdom.----
Cut short by misery, remorse, and death after eating of the forbidden fruit(Disobedience).

Nothing in this commentary explains why Aaron and all the Israelites would return to "EL" worship so soon after seeing a "Real God" in action.

That was "el", a god made by man's hand, they were putting their trust in to take them back to Egypt.(one with absolutely NO POWER)----As you have alluded to, They would not have made it back.

If denial is the father of lies .. then you should stop denying reality.

It is very understandable that you are confused by the scriptures. Look how you have misinterpreted my statement. "Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon."
Reality is what I observe when viewing all things made by the CREATOR GOD.
I have to "deny" the non-reproducible "theories of mankind", for that "reality" which Since Creation has still continued.----Despite the curse placed upon it in the expectations that some of mankind would seek after the Creator GOD---rather than the "theories produced by mankind".

The earliest Israelite settlements had a Canaanite culture, writing, and most importantly .. worshiped "EL",

When the People of GOD were brought out of Egypt, GOD took them into the "promised land"/that of Canaan. Of course they "settled" into those places where the Canaanites had had their "cultures."
Since the Hebrew word for any type of god is "el", what do you expect the Abominable gods to be written/recorded as???? However, You Capitalized the word, BUT It doesn't mean they worshiped the Creator GOD, because The Creator GOD said their worship/god was an abomination to HIM.

More denial .. Scattering does not explain "continuous civilizations"

That's because the Scattering of the people occurred after the Flood rather than "before" it occurred.

If there was a flood .. civilization in places like China and India would have stopped.. "Full Stop". This did not happen. Pottery, art, writing evolve gradually.

The Bible states that the pre-flood civilization did "stop" except for the Eight persons on the Ark. And the record is that it did happen and was not "just a myth".

One dating science that is unrefutable is Ice Core's.

Just like other "dating methods", the "Ice core method" isn't fool-proof.
"Creationwiki" has this statement; """All ice core "dates" are derived by calibrating the various methods to the Uniformitarian theoretical system. When calibrated to the Creation theoretical system the dates derived agree with time of the Biblical flood."""
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
Satan got into the Garden of Eve just as the entire Biblical record brings out in various places; and, as humans needed to know, in order to understand GOD'S ultimate plan and purpose for the Creation.
Rev.4:11, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
 

Oryonder

Active Member
Originally Posted by sincerly
Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon. It was recorded to have happened, but you, today, had rather believe the assumptions and theories of mankind---so be it.
What god other than the Creator GOD has power over all things? Respect? Even those who knew they were created by the LORD GOD----Denied HIS LORDSHIP for and an empty promise
"

The creator God was "El" .. known to the Sumerians as "The Father" and so forth.
In the first creation story in Genesis El is even used as Gods name.

El = Ellil = Enlil. You should go read the Sumerian creation epic and real how Enki, Enlil's, his brother Enki and the other Gods created the "adamu" (Sumerian word for Human being) out of clay. Go figure ?!

What is also interesting is that they kill a God and mix the God with clay to create the adamu. (hmmm .. sacrifice of a God for humans .. sound familiar ?)

You can then read how the Gods wanted to destroy humans but Enki intervenes ..

You can read about the Ark and the Flood .. the original version.
The Epic of Atrahasis




Oryonder, your posts attest to the fact that you are "clueless". However, Deut.29:29, tells a different fact for those who BELIEVE rather than "Deny" HIM.
"The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law.".
Adam and Eve knew that the Almighty Creator GOD made them and all things. They listened to another created being and his lies---empty promises of non-ending life and wisdom.----
Cut short by misery, remorse, and death after eating of the forbidden fruit(Disobedience).

What does this have to do with the fact that the Israelites under Moses had little reverence for the God of Moses .. including his own brother ?


That was "el", a god made by man's hand, they were putting their trust in to take them back to Egypt.(one with absolutely NO POWER)----As you have alluded to, They would not have made it back.

El was the creator God of Genesis .. but you are right .. probably a God made by the hand of man.


"Denial is still the "father of lies" basic weapon."
Reality is what I observe when viewing all things made by the CREATOR GOD.
I have to "deny" the non-reproducible "theories of mankind", for that "reality" which Since Creation has still continued.----Despite the curse placed upon it in the expectations that some of mankind would seek after the Creator GOD---rather than the "theories produced by mankind".

What you are denying is what is written in the Bible.


When the People of GOD were brought out of Egypt, GOD took them into the "promised land"/that of Canaan. Of course they "settled" into those places where the Canaanites had had their "cultures."

Nice try. They know the settlements were Israelite for a number of reasons (one of which is that they do not find any pig bones. What they also find is that these Israelites worshiped El, his consort Asherah, and his son Baal.

Since the Hebrew word for any type of god is "el", what do you expect the Abominable gods to be written/recorded as???? However, You Capitalized the word, BUT It doesn't mean they worshiped the Creator GOD, because The Creator GOD said their worship/god was an abomination to HIM.

El is the Creator God .. The Father ... and so on. Each city and town had its own local God. Yahweh was one of these. Over time the characteristics of El and Baal were fused onto Yahweh. They have even found reliefs showing Yahweh with his consort Asherah.

You can read how "El" is the head God in Psalm 82 here: http://www.jhsonline.org/Articles/article_144.pdf

That's because the Scattering of the people occurred after the Flood rather than "before" it occurred.

You still have not even attempted to explain how folks made it to South America and China a decade after the flood.


The Bible states that the pre-flood civilization did "stop" except for the Eight persons on the Ark. And the record is that it did happen and was not "just a myth".

I would love to see these records but since there are none I suppose I will be waiting a long long time.

Pre-Flood civilization did not stop .. That is what the records show.


Just like other "dating methods", the "Ice core method" isn't fool-proof.
"Creationwiki" has this statement; """All ice core "dates" are derived by calibrating the various methods to the Uniformitarian theoretical system. When calibrated to the Creation theoretical system the dates derived agree with time of the Biblical flood.

Denial is the father of all lies. Ice core dating is rock solid.

Sure there is error ..but only small error. Some layers are collapsed together or not that well defined but this is a relatively small number. In addition the cores are dated by two other chemical dating methods (atmosphere in gases) being one of them which confirms the dates.

On a date of 200,000 years ago you may have an error of at most 5% which puts the range from 190,000 to 210,000. A far cry from 5000 years ago.

Uniformitarian ?? ROFL .. do you even know what this means ?

Calibrated to the "Creation theoretical system" Now that is rich.

Unfortunately this system has zero Geologists, and zero legitimate scientists to back it up and your link, aside from being a joke due to not providing any real scientific backup for any of its claims, does not even discuss Ice cores !!

Denial.
 
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sincerly

Well-Known Member
you will not penetrate years of brainwashing set in so deep as to change the fantasy

Hi Outhouse, Since the 1860's with the "Orgin of species", much of "brainwashing" has occurred. Today, that "fantasy" is mandatorily taught in our public schools.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Hi Outhouse, Since the 1860's with the "Orgin of species", much of "brainwashing" has occurred. Today, that "fantasy" is mandatorily taught in our public schools.

because evolution is a fact as gravity

creation is outlawed, we dont teach our children mythology in place of known valid science.

evolution is not even up for debate in this modern age.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
because evolution is a fact as gravity

creation is outlawed, we dont teach our children mythology in place of known valid science.

evolution is not even up for debate in this modern age.



Not the first thing---Minerial, plant or animal has been made to exist by man from nothing.

Evolution has been mandated/enforced because that theory(NOT FACT.), is contradicted by GOD; A Religious(Creator GOD) belief cannot be taught/established as binding in this country because of "other beliefs".
There is nothing "valid" in the theory concerning volution or one would would see the results of those things "created by mankind" from a void of nothing.

Evolution is still debated/challanged today, and not just by me.
 

sincerly

Well-Known Member
:spit: :biglaugh: :facepalm:

The Message of GOD for the people of today: Rev.14:7, "Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
 

Oryonder

Active Member
Hi Outhouse, Since the 1860's with the "Orgin of species", much of "brainwashing" has occurred. Today, that "fantasy" is mandatorily taught in our public schools.

The teaching of evolution is also a form of indoctrination. Most folks that are taught evolution have no problem questioning this theory however. They look at the available evidence and assess the holes in the theory and look at possible alternatives.

Dispite over a century of questioning and testing of the theory, an overwhelming majority of scientists and most lay people believe at least parts of this theory. Many parts of the theory of evolution are accepted as fact (natural selection for example) as these ideas have held up under rigorous scrutiny.

Folks that believe in evolotion do not have to deny reality and make up wild fantasy in order to maintain their beliefs. If all or parts of the theory was proven wrong the overwhelming majority of believers would readily change their beliefs.

Of course there are a few who would cling to disproven ideas .. heck, there are still folks out there that think the earth is flat.

Some ideas that came out of evolution have been proven wrong over the years (the theory is not the same as it was in Darwin's day) but the structural integrity of the main tenets of the threory are still intact.

While evolution holds up under critical examination .. creationism does not.

Believers in creationism, like those who believe the Earth is flat, have to ignore science, history,logic, and common sense in order to justify creationism. They have and make up wild fantasy in and live in denial of reality in order to maintain creationist beliefs.

Unlike evolution, believers in creationism are not willing to discard or question this belief dispite that many of the core tenets have been proven wrong by archaeology, history, biology, geology, paleontology, logic and simple common sense.

Unlike evolution, the vast majority of scientists and even most Christians do not accept the major tenets of creationism.
 
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