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How does the story of Adam and Eve compatible with science?
- Thread starter InvestigateTruth
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What do you mean, “How does the story…?”
You mean “how is the story compatible with science?”
First off, we have no idea what a perfect cell looks like, or how it performs. Apparently the telomeres at the end of our chromosomes would not shorten, as they do now; it seems that is what causes aging and eventually death.
But science has discovered there was a mtEve, and Y-chromosomal Adam.
Dating timeframe is off, but so is much in science currently.
It’s to be expected though: Jesus referred to Satan as “the Ruler / Prince of this world”. (John 16:11; see Rev.12:9) He has influenced religion, science, cultures and everything in between!
He doesn’t care what people believe; as long as it’s not accurate knowledge dispensed from, and regarding, Jesus’ Father, Jehovah.
Like the idea of A&E being allegorical… that completely nullifies the purpose behind Jesus’ sacrifice, that his perfect-life “ransom” sacrifice (Matthew 20:28) ‘buys back’ what Adam lost for us, which is perfect human life, what God intended for Adam & Eve.
Imperfection is a genetic condition; it is passed on, ie., an inherited condition. — Romans 5:11
The vast majority of mankind will eventually understand the reason for and value of Christ’s sacrifice, when they are brought back to life during the Resurrection (John 6:44; Acts 24:15), when God’s Kingdom will rule this Earth, accomplishing His Will. - Matthew 6:10; Daniel 2:44; Daniel 7:13,14.
At that time, accurate knowledge will abound, and we’ll discover among other things the extent to which evolution has played in the diversification of species on Earth …probably quite a bit within their respective families.
Take care, my cousin.
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Audie
Veteran Member
OK. It's not allegorical. I always figured it
was just made up. Fiction like flood.
Far more accurate info than you have ever
bothered to access is available now btw.
What use would you have for more?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Allegory typically portrays events as being real, such as in the Parable* of the Good Samarian and other parables. The early Church struggled with the debate as to whether it was "real" or symbolic, and the Church basically decided that it wasn't important as it's the "message" that counts.
* Please note that the word "parable" relates to the word "parallel", thus there's more than just one way to look at the narrative.
Audie
Veteran Member
Seems to me ot matters, a lot if the " flood " was
real or not.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Whatever happened, happened; thus, the past is now in the past.
What does matter is how one may or may not use objective evidence to form hypotheses and possible conclusions.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Really? Why?
Audie
Veteran Member
For one, if it really happened, the geology is massively
wrong. So are the other hard sciences.
Seems like important news.
If I were Christian it would matter whether or not God was a psycho.
Audie
Veteran Member
I do realize that our fundies are immune to
evidence.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Sorry, not following you. Geology shows that there was no flood. So what?
It's a STORY. Don't take it so literally. The point of the story is that God hates sin. That's true enough.
Audie
Veteran Member
ME take it literally?
Of course, it says what it says. And that's
what FUNDIES think. It's literal and really
happened.
Me, I dont bother guessing what people who
concocted the story had in mind.
But I bet the ones who finally wrote it down
believed it was history.
And, like you, accept it that God is in that story,
or ftm "passover" and some few others,
portrayed as a psycho.
Including the " hates sin"! He invented it, chooses
not like it, invents people he knew in advance what everyone would do. Gives people instincts, then
its look but don't touch or you will be sorry
Of course ivalready know what you will do.
Almost makes you wonder why a cautionary tale is needed
Psychopath.
" God is love" indeed.
If I were a funny I think I'd really want to
be sure if that's what i am worshipping.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't think human beings have evolved that much in a few thousand years. I think that just as now, back then there were people who mistakenly took it literally, historically, and others who understood that it is a creative story.
Audie
Veteran Member
Are agreeing or disagreeing
Earlier, somebody made a comment about living *in fear* of God.
Who does that? Only those who really don’t know Him, I guess.
The Apostle John apparently knew Him. 1 John 4:8.
Jehovah God has really been patient - and continues to be patient - with such ignorance.
Exhibiting patience is a sign of love, even if it’s unbeknownst to those receiving it.
Who does that? Only those who really don’t know Him, I guess.
The Apostle John apparently knew Him. 1 John 4:8.
Jehovah God has really been patient - and continues to be patient - with such ignorance.
Exhibiting patience is a sign of love, even if it’s unbeknownst to those receiving it.
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That is simply inaccurate.
Tell me, how did the possibly millions of animals get trapped within the vast Permafrost found throughout the Northern Hemisphere? (Not on top of it; within it?)
No one has ever bothered to postulate a reasonable, natural explanation that has consensus for those discoveries… because a natural explanation doesn’t exist!
And there are numerous, unrelated cultures that share a global flood story. (One anthropologist claims it’s around a 1000.)
Coincidence?
How do you account for the ideal ratios, written down by Moses in Genesis 6, for the dimensions of the Ark? These ratios (30:5:3) were only discovered a few centuries ago, that they’re ideal for non-powered barges, and verified by physics studies a few years back. Apparently catching many by surprise.
Another coincidence?
And what about the ancient Chinese ideograph for ship?
I guess another coincidence.
There’s more.
Do you know why there are many celebrations of the dead held at apparently the same time of year that the Flood occurred? Halloween is one; the Mexican Day of the Dead is another.
(The Flood event has been embedded in the human psyche, and we don’t even remember why.)
@YoursTrue , have you read the “Flood evidences” thread posted a few years back? Here it is… hope you enjoy it; it should strengthen your faith:
https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/flood-evidences-—-revised.223411/
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metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Sea levels rise and fall, and silt adds to the landmass and is subtracted from some others. Since this typically occurs over thousands of years during warm spells followed by cold spells, this can be and has been dated in general.
The Flood Narrative, imo, was created as a form of storytelling to counter the earlier and much more widespread Babylonian Narrative, and the latter area often suffered from flooding in the Tigris/Euphrates Valley in the spring especially.
The art of storytelling was used extensively back in ancient Asia and elsewhere since most people were not literate, and often these stories were altered depending on what was happening. It is not an "enemy" to the Gospel in any way, as many Jewish sages, such as Maimonides, believed & taught the much of the early parts of Genesis were based on folklore, which obviously did include some historical facts within them as well.
Audie
Veteran Member
Of course he just made up the
thing about "millions".
That the few frozen carcasses that have been found date
to tens of thousands of years apart is hand waved.
That with a handfull of exceptions , those such as mammoths are found in advanced states of decay
("Appalling stench when thawed") and heavily scavenged
is also hand waved, or our hero simply vanishes.
We don't of course expect the impossible, which is to be
an informed and intellectually honest creationist.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
The Chinese iconography argument along with all of your others has been refuted a thousand times. And you still cannot explain wh you think that God is a liar.
As to the works labeled as being by John in the Bible none of those were by the apostle John. You need tome new arguments.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Take a basic course in Geology at your local junior college. Learn about things like plate tectonics, ice ages, fossil formation, etc. There is nothing supernatural in this happening. Indeed, what would be weird is if we DIDN'T find animals within the permafrost.