anonymous9887
bible reader
Like I said it can't do nothing to me now except research it more. I'm sure you haven't viewed all the scholarship out there, there is too much out there to keep up with. Again there are arguments out there I am sure
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How does your faith rationalize god allowing the existence of evil, death, and suffering?
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anonymous9887
bible reader
Not a contradicting theory I posted it, and it is very consistent.
Aren't there corresponding cross-reference verses and passages in John agreeing with the rest of Scripture ?_______
Since the Bible is Not written ABC as a dictionary is written, then we need to study the Bible by subject or topic arrangement.
Taking one subject or one topic at a time and seeing what the Bible writers had to say on the subject or topic at hand.
For example: What did the different Bible writers have to say about Earth ?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Mainly there are two types of arguments. Let's take Hebrews, one is that it's Paul by the language. That's of an evangelist who doesn't have a choice. One who can't read Greek. One who is bias.
The other is that we just don't know. By educated scholars. I can quote you if you like. Look at it. The language is completely different.
firedragon
Veteran Member
No its not. Completely contradicting.
anonymous9887
bible reader
Yeah but in either case they have to have a reply as to why they believe it is of divine origin.
anonymous9887
bible reader
So anyways
1. Is the oldest copy of the Qur'an complete?
2. How old is the oldest copy according to scholars?
Exactly everlasting life is paradise and heaven
Those in heaven have immortality - Revelation 20:6
Adam was Never offered immortality but ' everlasting life ' on Earth as long as he did Not break God's Law.
God granted faithful Jesus ' immortality ' ( life within oneself ) John 5:26 because sinless Jesus was faithful unto death.
Jesus was never in paradise, but Adam was in the beautiful paradisical Garden of Eden here on Earth.
No one who died before Jesus died was offered a resurrection to heaven: including King David - Acts of the Apostles 2:34 nor John the baptizer - Matthew 11:11
All who died before Jesus died could have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection on earth when Earth will be a paradise during Jesus' coming 1,000-year rulership over Earth.
So, ' everlasting life ' for those who inhabit the heavens have ' immortal life ' in heaven. They have life within themselves.
And ' everlasting life ' for those who inherit the Earth will still mean having to eat, drink, sleep, etc. because those on Earth are Not self contained having life within themselves.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Another JW with loads of unconnected quotes..
And naturally, the question of whether all creatures will live forever on this 'paradise earth' is not answered!
anonymous9887
bible reader
The problem with what your doing is you are just saying it's misquoted.
If you are the expert explain the meaning and context???
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
No! This is too easily 'set up' by topics associated with dogma .. one needs to read scripture from beginning to end with independent scholarly explanation, over and over
This will give the sincere person a more 'rounded view' rather than just peddling Bible quotes which may or may not be understood correctly
The one speaking at Proverbs 8:22 is said to be a creation. A heavenly creation
There the pre-human heavenly Jesus is described as wisdom personified - Proverbs 8:24-26; Proverbs 8:27-29
The pre-human Jesus' delights were with us humans - Proverbs 8:30-31
Notice the questions at Proverbs 30:4
Didn't God send the heavenly Jesus to Earth ? ______
So, in order for God to send Jesus to Earth, then the pre-human Jesus would have to be in heaven with God.
So, God transferred Jesus' spirit person's life to Mary in order to be born as a sinless human as Adam originally was before his downfall.
No! This is too easily 'set up' by topics associated with dogma .. one needs to read scripture from beginning to end with independent scholarly explanation, over and over
This will give the sincere person a more 'rounded view' rather than just peddling Bible quotes which may or may not be understood correctly
Could you please give an example of a ' set up ' topic associated with dogma ?
Is the Bible written like a novel ?
If you look up all the Scriptures on one subject at a time won't that give you the overall view of what the writers are saying on that subject ?
Why Not look up all the Scriptures about Earth, or look up all the Scriptures about heaven, or look up all the Scriptures about paradise ?
What is Not well rounded by studying the Bible systematically ?
Didn't Jesus often preface his statements with the words " it is written...." ?
Where was that information written but already written down in the old Hebrew Scriptures.
So, Jesus by logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures used that as a basis for his teachings.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
The scholar you admired got exposed, and he would get off topic on things that made no sense.
He dodged my Muslim friend's questions. And gave wrong occasions, in fact his own belief is contradictory as shown by Shabir.
The scholar you admire has been exposed and his Christian friends would interrupt him when he was speaking.
Shabir exposed him so much that it felt like his career ended, and i am sure other scholars did too.
Jabar
“Strive always to excel in virtue and truth.”
That is the same argument as the other guy, i am tired of repeatedly answering them, refer to my comment.
Where are the people living according to Revelation 22:2 ?_______
Where are the people living according to Matthew 5:5 ? ______
Where are the people living according to Psalms 37:11; Psalms 37:29 ? _______
Where are the people living according to Proverbs 2:21-22 ?_____
Where are the people living according to Isaiah 35 ?______
Where are the people living according to Micah 4:3-4 ?_______
Jesus did Not promise heaven to the one who died next to him.
Where was paradise in Adam's day but right here on Earth.
Where did Jesus resurrect people but to life right here on Earth.
Did God promise father Abraham heaven for ALL families of Earth, and ALL nations of Earth, or was it Earth ? _________- Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18. Revelation 22:2
anonymous9887
bible reader
Well as far as the divinity of christ I would say that is not his specialty, but all that I did take from the scholars is the facts now recognized of the original copies of the manuscripts.
The scholar you admired got exposed, and he would get off topic on things that made no sense.
He dodged my Muslim friend's questions. And gave wrong occasions, in fact his own belief is contradictory as shown by Shabir.
The scholar you admire has been exposed and his Christian friends would interrupt him when he was speaking.
Shabir exposed him so much that it felt like his career ended, and i am sure other scholars did too.
I don't look up to anyone, what I point out is the information on your manuscripts. Not good.
firedragon
Veteran Member
No. Oldest Quran is not complete. It's two pages from two different chapters in Birmingham. Radio carbon dating dates it earliest 580 and latest 643 with 93% accuracy. If contamination is considered and another analysis is used like tree ring it will have a maximum of a 21 year difference. Maximum which is impossible. Also there is a larger portion of the same manuscript I France. Confirmed.
I'm on the phone so I might get this wrong but it's the 18th and 21st chapters. Which means the rest should have been there. Depending on the order of revelation there are 60 chapters prior to the 18th chapter.
It's the hijack script. Arguments against it are bias because some clerics want to propose the importance of a hadith.
Now could you please provide some insight into my queries on the issue of reliability of the Bible without reverting with questions about the Quran. It's a cop-out.
Also you keep avoiding the papyrus. Which papyrus do you look at? Your claim.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Please
Jay Smith is a liar. Please. Show me your points. Answer the Bible questions. Let's see.
Jay Smith is a liar. Please. Show me your points. Answer the Bible questions. Let's see.