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How hard is it to watch people heading for hell

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Sour grapes, there is only one perfect set of rules, just because you don't recognize them does not mean that they are not there.


Yes, the perfect set of rules contains one rule "Treat others as you'd want to be treated", and I'm sure Alceste recognizes it. She just wants others to recognize it.

You owe Man Of Faith an apology.

Actually, I'd say you owe Alceste an apology.
 

Evandr

Stripling Warrior
I think she was pointing out the hypocrisy shown in the self glorification of public piety that is in direct contradiction to the commands given by Jesus in Mathew.

Pretty obvious...

The only thing quite obvious is she was lumping him into a category describes by her rhetoric. She called him typical and that is not only pointing out hypocrisy it was judging.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Sour grapes, there is only one perfect set of rules, just because you don't recognize them does not mean that they are not there. You owe Man Of Faith an apology.

And the mere fact you believe in them doesn't mean they exist. So where does that leave us?

IMO MoF owes me an apology for prattling on about his torture fantasies, which as a non-believer in the claptrap he espouses, I feature prominently in. He has earned my disdain.
 
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tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
The only thing quite obvious is she was lumping him into a category describes by her rhetoric. She called him typical and that is not only pointing out hypocrisy it was judging.
There is nothing wrong with judging, as long as you are prepared to accept judgment yourself.

Do you really feel that a person who calls themselves a Christian, and feels the need to boast of their piety, will save anyone from a supposed Hell?

The only one impressed will be those who are prone to self righteousness.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
And the mere fact you believe in them doesn't mean they exist. So where does that leave us?

IMO MoF owes me an apology for prattling on about his torture fantasies, which as a non-believer in the claptrap he espouses, I feature prominently in. He has earned my disdain.

Nobody owes anyone an apology. Sheesh.
 

logician

Well-Known Member
It doesn't logically make sense to torture someone you created for an eternity, it's admitting you were a failure in making your creation.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
It doesn't logically make sense to torture someone you created for an eternity, it's admitting you were a failure in making your creation.

Comma splice.

That's an incomplete sentence.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
What you are doing is comparing human beings to other human beings. Ask them if they ever hated anyone, or lusted after anyone, or lied, stole, cheated, etc... You will soon find that they aren't as good as you thought. If they don't have representation when they stand before a Holy, wrathful and vengeful God they will be turned away and there is only one other place to go.

All humans have the ability and capacity to be good and kind, because they were created in the image of God, but they are also all filthy and guilty on the inside when compared to the Holiness of God.
I never said they are perfect. I said they are good people. People that deserve to be happy. You focus too much on the negative, you know. No wonder you think people will end up in hell.

Also, when someone talks about a wrathful and vengeful God and then talks about how "filthy" and "guilty" humanity is in comparisment then then are contradicting themselves. Care to elaborate how someone can suffer from, in lack of better words, some serious mental issues yet be better then those that don´t?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Everybody owes God an aoplogy for sinning.

Maybe so, if there were any convincing evidences that there is a God, that we are sinners, and that sin demands apology.

But really, I think it is simply unhealthy to be so obsessed with sin. Life simply does not work that way. People are not some sort of fantasy goblins that will commit misdeeds if given half a chance just because they're like that.

Sometimes I simply don't understand why so many Christians attempt to believe than mankind is such a sorry bunch of people. There is much healthy joy and transcendence to be found within and outside, if we only allow ourselves. One shouldn't have to choose between accepting Jesus and accepting one's own potential for achieving happiness.
 
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