How is it true "Jesus is God"?

[savagewind]

No, that's not exactly what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that texts disagree A, Lot. So we have to weigh one against the other, choosing (I believe) what speaks best to forbearance, forgiveness, freedom, grace, life, love, compassion, mercy, justice, peace, hospitality, welcome, inclusion, wholeness, abundance.

OK I agree. I am sure. I would need to suffer horrible torture for it if need be because I can't not believe it. There are many scriptures where the true meaning was lost in translation. So the truth is there, we just can't see it. If it does not "match" that list of things do you dig for meaning OR throw it away? I don't throw it away.

 

[Robert.Evans]

I don't.

1Col15
Yahshuah... is the Image of the invisible God. How is that possible if he is not one and the same? or do you discount this verse?

 

[sojourner]

You do not know me. However, IF I do sin, I have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

You seem bent on trying to accuse someone.

I do not live in sin.

I know human beings. And you're a human being. And human beings sin. It's that simple and biblical. You're not Jesus; only Jesus was without sin. I didn't say you "lived in sin." I said that you did sin. But yet you love God. Not accusing or judging -- just being honest.

 

[Yes]

So God was wrong before then was he?

Don't you have any fear of God? Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. The New Testament is about what is spiritual.

 

[savagewind]

On who believes that God literally created the earth in 6 24 hour time periods; does not put any stock in evolution -- you know what a creationist is.

OK. No! Haha. No! I believe there is truth in the words of Genesis but they are NOT to be literally discerned. I have been here long enough I think you should know I am not a creationist. Guwd. I'd give you a frowny face if it wasn't so funny.

 

[sojourner]

OK I agree. I am sure. I would need to suffer horrible torture for it if need be because I can't not believe it. There are many scriptures where the true meaning was lost in translation. So the truth is there, we just can't see it. If it does not "match" that list of things do you did for meaning OR throw it away? I don't throw it away.

Well, "throw away" is rather... harsh. But discount, based on exegesis? Sure.

 

[Yes]

I know human beings. And you're a human being. And human beings sin. It's that simple and biblical. You're not Jesus; only Jesus was without sin. I didn't say you "lived in sin." I said that you did sin. But yet you love God. Not accusing or judging -- just being honest.

You do not know all humans. I do not live in sin. Are you speaking about yourself? Have you given up any sins for Jesus? Have your eyes been opened up or not? From what you are saying to me, I would say your eyes have not been opened.

 

[savagewind]

OK. No! Haha. No! I believe there is truth in the words of Genesis but they are to be literally discerned. I have been here long enough I think you should know I am not a creationist. Guwd. I'd give you a frowny face if it wasn't so funny.

OK I am sure there was no clocks then. HAHA

 

[sojourner]

OK. No! Haha. No! I believe there is truth in the words of Genesis but they are to be literally discerned. I have been here long enough I think you should know I am not a creationist. Guwd. I'd give you a frowny face if it wasn't so funny.

My world suddenly makes sense again.

 

[savagewind]

Well, "throw away" is rather... harsh. But discount, based on exegesis? Sure.

No. I do not dare. But it makes for interesting conversation that people DO.

 

[Robert.Evans]

It certainly represents a different perspective on God.

But if that is the case, how do we explain it? If it is a different God, it is answered on that level. But if it the same, then how?

 

[sojourner]

You do not know all humans. I do not live in sin. Are you speaking about yourself? Have you given up any sins for Jesus? Have your eyes been opened up or not? From what you are saying to me, I would say your eyes have not been opened.

Well yours certainly haven't been, if you deny that you sin.

 

[savagewind]

I forgot to put not before literally discerned. And then you seemed to answer like I did. Is it possible it can get funnier?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Don't you have any fear of God? Jesus fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. The New Testament is about what is spiritual.

You are saying that there is a new covenant. If it is different then I am asking whether the old one was wrong.

 

[Yes]

Do children love their parents when they're disobeying? Of course. Your'e taking the texts way too literalistically.

If someone is doing something against you, then no, they do not love you.

 

[sojourner]

But if that is the case, how do we explain it? If it is a different God, it is answered on that level. But if it the same, then how?

God is too big to be defined. We can only see part of God, and then only through the lens of our own cultural expectations. We do not live in a culture where our safety, integrity, heritage is only preserved by killing our enemies. So we don't really need a God who commands us to commit genocide. In ancient Palestine, they probably did need a God like that, just for survival.

 

[sojourner]

If someone is doing something against you, then no, they do not love you.

Too black-and-white. Humanity is composed of many shades of grey.

 

[savagewind]

If someone is doing something against you, then no, they do not love you.

I think you should explain this better. What does "against you" mean?

 

[Robert.Evans]

For those who think they don't ignore scripture and keep God's commandments and teachings, what of John 20 where Yahshuah is called God and what of Hebrews 1 that calls him God, both ho theos.

 

[Yes]

So who did? You think that the house is divided ? Did you not know that there is only One lord (Eph)? So why would S-atan fool the Church and yet still have them believing? Why not go the whole hog and just make the atheists?

The Bible says that false teachings come from demons.

It is Satan's will to cause confusion.