How is it true "Jesus is God"?

[Robert.Evans]

I think Revelation already took place. But that is jmho. There isn't a one among us who really knows. We just think we do.

Good. It is called
Preterism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I think.

That does not mean it will not take place again, in different ways.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Because you would then be contradicting yourself...is God looking at Himself in the mirror, or is there two separate and different gods---AS THE TRINTIY DOCTRINE SAYS.

You just went against the trinity doctrine and did not realize it.

I see God as One my friend. But I see many different realities in my 'wild and crazy ideas'. They are so wild that I think God can make more than one universe, can split his own consciousness into many forms, including us. So as there are different realities, then one can indeed have the Trinity, it would just depend on what you follow or perhaps better, are a part of.
All things are right and all things are wrong.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Jesus did not set up a denomination, especially not a denomination full of false teachings.

So who did? You think that the house is divided ? Did you not know that there is only One lord (Eph)? So why would S-atan fool the Church and yet still have them believing? Why not go the whole hog and just make the atheists?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Jesus promised that if we be his disciples and teach what he would teach then he will be with us.

Anyone can declare that. Does it mean he is with them aslo?

 

[Robert.Evans]

And so he is! Because where two or three are gathered, there he is in the midst of them.

So then he can be with the Church then.

 

[Robert.Evans]

God says to stone adulterers, too. I'm not doing that anytime soon.

Haha.... it almost sound like a different God, if we are being honest, don't you think?

 

[savagewind]

So who did? You think that the house is divided ? Did you not know that there is only One lord (Eph)? So why would S-atan fool the Church and yet still have them believing? Why not go the whole hog and just make the atheists?

Satan does not make anything. And God makes very few things so no one makes a believer, a false believer (someone who believes in something false) or an atheist. You say Christ's bride evolved. Belief evolves as does non belief. You keep saying it shows God is weak if everything, right AND wrong are not right. (that is the crazy part - but it makes me laugh so call it good if you want to)
Truth lets a lie fester because festering makes good strong.

 

[sojourner]

That is where we were. The question is can a scripture be discarded for disagreeing with our own dearly held opinion?

Sure, I think so. We do it all the time. Fundies discard the passage that assures us God will have mercy on whom God will have mercy. We've thrown out Levitican law. We discard the creation accounts as being literalistic.

 

[Robert.Evans]

There is a new covenant. New Covenant means New Testament. Through Jesus, we can find mercy and forgiveness.

So God was wrong before then was he?

 

[sojourner]

So then he can be with the Church then.

Of course.

 

[savagewind]

Sure, I think so. We do it all the time. Fundies discard the passage that assures us God will have mercy on whom God will have mercy. We've thrown out Levitican law. We discard the creation accounts as being literalistic.

I don't.

 

[sojourner]

I can see that can of worms you opened. I hear you say if a scripture does not match what you believe then discard it. You will certainly change no minds that way. Wait a minute!

No, that's not exactly what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that texts disagree A, Lot. So we have to weigh one against the other, choosing (I believe) what speaks best to forbearance, forgiveness, freedom, grace, life, love, compassion, mercy, justice, peace, hospitality, welcome, inclusion, wholeness, abundance.

 

[Robert.Evans]

A sin is a mistake. I was talking about hate but you sure know how to change track.

Hate is still sin, it is an error, wrong. All wrong is sin

 

[sojourner]

I don't.

Tell me you're not a creationist.

 

[sojourner]

Please, listen carefully...we do NOT love God if we are not obeying. Obeying God IS loving God.

2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.


John 14:21 The person who has my commandments and obeys them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will reveal myself to him."

Do children love their parents when they're disobeying? Of course. Your'e taking the texts way too literalistically.

 

[savagewind]

Tell me you're not a creationist.

Define creationist because I should be careful.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Satan does not make anything. And God makes very few things so no one makes a believer, a false believer (someone who believes in something false) or an atheist. You say Christ's bride evolved. Belief evolves as does non belief. You keep saying it shows God is weak if everything, right AND wrong are not right. (that is the crazy part - but it makes me laugh so call it good if you want to)
Truth lets a lie fester because festering makes good strong.

If S-tan does not make anything, who made him?

 

[sojourner]

Haha.... it almost sound like a different God, if we are being honest, don't you think?

It certainly represents a different perspective on God.

 

[Yes]

But you do sin.

You do not know me. However, IF I do sin, I have an advocate with the Father--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

You seem bent on trying to accuse someone.

I do not live in sin.

 

[sojourner]

Define creationist because I should be careful.

On who believes that God literally created the earth in 6 24 hour time periods; does not put any stock in evolution -- you know what a creationist is.