Aupmanyav
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Yes, US would like to sterilize them, even North Korea.
Does not prove anything. It is a fight for supremacy. Ukraine, unfortunately, got in the line of cross-fire.
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How Odd Is Putin's Russia?
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Does not prove anything. It is a fight for supremacy. Ukraine, unfortunately, got in the line of cross-fire.
Do you know that in constitutional monarchies, the king cannot forbid a parliament from making laws, right?
And by the way, the deportations were done by the Nazis, when they occupied Italy.
That's an unrealistically cynical view.
Ukraine isn't in the "crossfire".
Russia invaded it, killing & destroying on a massive scale.
Are you one of those pro-Russia anti-USA anti-NATO types?
The same Italy who supported Hitler & all his crimes.
Of course...we would have ended up like France.
Being invaded and split in two.
We didn't know we were dealing with the devil, of course.
So Italy supported Hitler's invasion of France.
Go Italy!
European history is studied in the US?
Just asking...
I mean...the Russian revolution, the birth of Socialism...Karl Marx?
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
You know better.
You know better.
Biden said he is proud of having enlarged NATO and is ruling the world not just US.
Yeah, Putin knew what he was getting into. He had no alternative.
At the moment he wants Ukraine to be destroyed. NATO is not much worried about it. They want Ukraine to fight their war.
You know better. What do I, a citizen of a third world country, will know.
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Is it studied in Italy?
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Yes, they are.
If so, there's no need to manufacture new histories
to justify Russian conquest. Just come out & say
that they believe Russia is best, & should conquer
its foes.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I am neither this nor that. I am an independent thinker and a straight-talker. Many people cannot digest that.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
Having enlarged NATO =\= ruling the world.
There was no need for Putin to stop NATO.
NATO wants Ukraine to stay a sovereign country, just as Ukraine does.
Putin is only proving exactly why Ukraine wants to join NATO. "Oh, you want to join an alliance in order to protect yourself from me? Well, I'll invade you to stop you from doing that!"
It's no wonder Ukraine wants to join. The only question is why you and others think it's a problem (for anyone other than Russia).
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
An independent thinker and straight-talker wouldn't promote pro-Russian, anti-NATO propaganda.I am neither this nor that. I am an independent thinker and a straight-talker. Many people cannot digest that.
Indigestion is common.I am neither this nor that. I am an independent thinker and a straight-talker. Many people cannot digest that.
Magic Man
Reaper of Conversation
But then they can't claim to be an "independent thinker" and hide behind weak justifications.
Probably not since the Cold War, although there's obviously been some lingering resentment and hostility towards Russia over what happened in the past. That may not constitute a "threat," per se, but it's not exactly friendly either.
No. That's not what I was saying at all. I don't think their concern is that they could be conquered. With their nuclear ace in the hole, that's simply not an option.
My main point here is that, sometimes, when looking under the hood of US foreign policy and our various activities around the world, our national leaders don't come off looking like the "nice people" that many people believe them to be. From the other side of the hill, they might see these "nice people" as a potential threat. I mean, we're talking about people who spied on the personal cellphone of the German Chancellor, one of our allies. They do engage in a great deal of mischief, so it stands to reason that a rival power might look at that and think "These people are out of control."
That doesn't mean there's any plan to conquer Russia.
No, not exculpating them. If I'm ever called to jury duty when Russia is brought in to the World Court for invading Ukraine, I would vote "guilty." They did do that; Purin and his government are as guilty as a cat in a goldfish bowl.
But it doesn't appear that Putin will be arrested and taken to court any time soon. Any hope of any kind of cooperative relationship with Russia is now doomed; we'll be entering a new era with a new kind of cold war. I'm not taking their side in this, but it's more of a lamentation, a sense of regret that it's come to this. It didn't have to be this way. We could have lived and coexisted with each other in peace, but, for whatever reason...we have what we have now.
Fortunately, we're not really at war just yet. Hopefully, it won't get to that point. I don't see how I can be faulted for acknowledging the reality of the situation and exhorting my fellow Allies to learn from some of the mistakes made in the past. If anything, I'm just saying that we should look at this strategically. Sure, Russia is guilty, but from a strategic perspective, that's immaterial. That is, unless we're presuming to act as some form of global law enforcement agency, which is a completely different discussion altogether.
Thoroughly. From the ancient Greeks to the present age.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I state my views. Never thought who would like them and who would not like them.
Very similar stance to mine: I side with both USA and Russia, but warmongers expect me to pick a side, because they can't live without war.I am neither this nor that. I am an independent thinker and a straight-talker. Many people cannot digest that.