How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[Useless2015]

No it shows that many parts of the Quran existed in some form for centuries before Islam was formed. No God is required to repeat stories already known in the area for centuries.

Islaam started with the first human(Adam). You knew that already right?

 

[Shad]

Islaam started with the first human(Adam). You knew that already right?

That is your claim and a claim only not a fact. Adam is a myth anyways so your claim is based on a fable, nothing more. You seem to think your religious views must be accepted as a fact by everyone. It doesn't.

 

[Useless2015]

That is your claim and a claim only not a fact. Adam is a myth anyways so your claim is based on a fable, nothing more.

Like the myth of the fish that turned into a human? I get it

 

[Shad]

Like the myth of the fish that turned into a human? I get it

Considering no one suggest humans are from fish directly you are just repeating a strawman based on your ignorance of evolution. All you display is your lack of education. Also it is a red herring used to cover your inability to provide any sort of counter argument.

 

[Useless2015]

Considering no one suggest humans are from fish directly you are just repeating a strawman based on your ignorance of evolution. All you display is your lack of education.

Why? ToE says we evolved from fish?
Where did i use the word directly?

 

[FearGod]

Considering no one suggest humans are from fish directly you are just repeating a strawman based on your ignorance of evolution. All you display is your lack of education. Also it is a red herring used to cover your inability to provide any sort of counter argument.

Did you observe the fish evolving to human billions of years ago?

 

[Shad]

No .. it's not for me to do so .. I have nothing to prove, and neither does Almighty God .. He knows who is worthy of His guidance.

You claim the Quran is from God, it is your burden to meet. Take a few course on logic and philosophy to correct your ignorant assumption.

Hadith: "If Allah loves somebody, He causes them to comprehend relgion"

This removes free will and replaces it with Islamic fatalism. If God does not love me thus prevents me from following Islam than I can not be blamed for not being a believer as God has removed my free will. More so it is a fallacy of emotions, nothing more.

 

[Useless2015]

Did you observe the fish evolving to human billions of years ago?

Hhhh. He believes in what other people tell him and dares to call himself better than others because of it .

 

[FearGod]

That is your claim and a claim only not a fact. Adam is a myth anyways so your claim is based on a fable, nothing more. You seem to think your religious views must be accepted as a fact by everyone. It doesn't.

No, but we're debating and not pushing anyone to believe that our religion is the right one.

 

[Shad]

Why? ToE says we evolved from fish?

No it doesn't. Read about it before writing about it. Your ignorance of ToE causes you to make incorrect and irrational conclusions.

Where did i use the word directly?

Reading comprehension son. "ToE says we evolved from fish" We is a reference to humans, fish is obvious. However since humans are not from fish but previous hominids your statement is wrong.

 

[Shad]

Did you observe the fish evolving to human billions of years ago?

Direct observation is not required. You do not understand what observation means within a scientific context, only common English use. Besides we already have evidende that humans came from a previous hominids not fish.

 

[Shad]

No, but we're debating and not pushing anyone to believe that our religion is the right one.

You maybe not be but Useless is treating his/her religious presupposition as something I must accept because they believe in it without even arguing why I should. This is nothing more than projection of a priori they hold on to me. Do take note that there is no argument but merely statements of faith.

 

[FearGod]

Hhhh. He believes in what other people tell him and dares to call himself better than others because of it .

Who knows, maybe he's a scientist himself, he used to call me son.

 

[FearGod]

Direct observation is not required. You do not understand what observation means within a scientific context, only common English use. Besides we already have evidende that humans came from a previous hominids not fish.

Did you observe and check the evidences yourself?

 

[Shad]

Hhhh. He believes in what other people tell him and dares to call himself better than others because of it .

You mean how you follow Islam told to you by other people. Hilarious. Also my point was that you are ignorant of evolution. If you find your ignorance of evolution uncomfortable and it creates emotional reaction you can fix your ignorance by actually enrolling in course to educate yourself.

 

[Shad]

Did you observe and check the evidences yourself?

Did you observe Gabriel talking to Muhammad? You own fallacious argument can be tossed right back in your face.

I observed the evidence presented by credible university programs taught around the world. There are a lot of subjects which any individual will be ignorant of hence why there are experts that people rely upon. Did you observe and check the evidence when you see a doctor or do you trust in their expertise to cover for your ignorance of medicine?

 

[Shad]

Who knows, maybe he's a scientist himself, he used to call me son.

Historian that uses a few methods from science. However my son remark is simply showing that someone that is an adult has the research and comprehension skills of a child.

 

[FearGod]

Did you observe Gabriel talking to Muhammad? You own fallacious argument can be tossed right back in your face.

I don't need to.

I observed the evidence presented by credible university programs taught around the world. There are a lot of subjects which any individual will be ignorant of hence why there are experts that people rely upon. Did you observe and check the evidence when you see a doctor or do you trust in their expertise to cover for your ignorance of medicine?

So you rely on what the others told you, full stop.

 

[FearGod]

Historian that uses a few methods from science. However my son remark is simply showing that someone that is an adult has the research and comprehension skills of a child.

Would you please rephrase your statement, my son.

 

[muhammad_isa]

This removes free will and replaces it with Islamic fatalism.

I can understand why you might think that, but actually it doesn't..
Almighty God is spiritual, and our connection with Him is not straightforward. Our intentions and deeds has a direct bearing on the relationship. There isn't 'a switch' which God turns on and off .. we are responsible for our own destiny.

If God does not love me thus prevents me from following Islam than I can not be blamed for not being a believer as God has removed my free will.

As I say above, it is not like that. If you dislike His guidance, then how can you expect to understand it or gain anything from it? You can't!