How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?

[outhouse]

Propose one example. not a whole anti islamic site. YOU CAN'T

I cant that is correct. but its not because the knowledge and education does not exist. It is simply because you will refuse it no matter how credible.

Many of the things stated at the website provided are correct and substantiated, despite your perceived claim of bias nature.

 

[use_your_brain]

I cant that is correct. but its not because the knowledge and education does not exist. It is simply because you will refuse it no matter how credible.

Many of the things stated at the website provided are correct and substantiated, despite your perceived claim of bias nature.

Yes, you can't. full stop.

 

[FearGod]

I cant that is correct. but its not because the knowledge and education does not exist. It is simply because you will refuse it no matter how credible.

Many of the things stated at the website provided are correct and substantiated, despite your perceived claim of bias nature.

No one will refuse a scientific evidence which can proves that the quran contains a scientific errors,
show us just one example which you think proves that the quran has a scientific error.

 

[serp777]

It's still called smoke regardless of its contents.

Well smoke and gas are two different things anyways, nevermind the whole argument about plasma. I mean if you're willing to go to these lengths to verify the quran's claims then you're pretty much willing to accept anything. Because some stuff in the universe kind of resembles smoke, but isn't actually smoke, therefore the quran had it right. I mean seriously?

I mean the statement--"regardless of its content" its hilariously wrong. Is helium in your balloons smoke? No lol. Come on dude you're reaching so far for something which could have been nothing more than a moderately lucky guess if it was true. I mean its possible these people looked up in the night sky, saw some nebulae like this, and thought aha that looks like smoke, therefore everything is made from smoke. Like you seriously think this was divinely imparted knowledge? Dude i hope you realize how over the top this is.

 

[serp777]

You're sourcing from anti Islam website, speak from your own mind than from the haters.

Bring here one scientific error in the quran to discuss it.

That's a media fallacy. You're determining that the source isn't valid because its from a source you don't like "full of haters." Whether or not someone hates something has nothing to do with the validity of such a claim. You should reject the source based on its merits and the arguments it makes, not your interpretation of what the authors may or may not think about Islam.

 

[FearGod]

Well smoke and gas are two different things anyways, nevermind the whole argument about plasma. I mean if you're willing to go to these lengths to verify the quran's claims then you're pretty much willing to accept anything. Because some stuff in the universe kind of resembles smoke, but isn't actually smoke, therefore the quran had it right. I mean seriously?

We can't say Gas because it contains dust as well, so you're wrong, what we can see is smoke regardless
of its contents.

I mean the statement--"regardless of its content" its hilariously wrong. Is helium in your balloons smoke? No lol. Come on dude you're reaching so far for something which could have been nothing more than a moderately lucky guess if it was true. I mean its possible these people looked up in the night sky, saw some nebulae like this, and thought aha that looks like smoke, therefore everything is made from smoke. Like you seriously think this was divinely imparted knowledge? Dude i hope you realize how over the top this is.

Who said that everything was made out of smoke?
If you asked me then everything was made out of nothing.
nothingness + nothingness = everything

 

[serp777]

of course the humans wrote the book. who else? robot?
So you don't know what the God said? then how could you try to represent what the God wants considering to the book?
my belief is correct, if not then I wouldn't believe in it.
we do believe the Quran is the word of God because it is what our religion teaches.

Wow now i've seen it all on this forum; your belief is correct because if it wasn't correct then you wouldn't believe it. That's the best example of circular reasoning i've seen. My beliefs are correct because I know they're right.

of course the humans wrote the book. who else? robot?

Now that you've finally admitted this the obvious conclusion is that at best the Quran is a few human's interpretation of a man's interpretation of divinely imparted knowledge e.g. muhammad. And all religions teach that they're correct and that their holy books are the word of God. What kind of abrahamic faith doesn't say their faith is base don the word of God?

So you don't know what the God said? then how could you try to represent what the God wants considering to the book?

I don't really know what you're trying to say and i fail to see how this connects to what i've said. Its a confusing sentence.

 

[serp777]

We can't say Gas because it contains dust as well, so you're wrong, what we can see is smoke regardless
of its contents.



Who said that everything was made out of smoke?
If you asked me then everything was made out of nothing.
nothingness + nothingness = everything

Then what the heck was the point of you bringing up the smoke then? So what if the Quran says there is some smoke in the universe. Wow such a strong prediction. its almost like they've burned some wood or something.

We can't say Gas because it contains dust as well, so you're wrong, what we can see is smoke regardless
of its contents.

Well at least you're getting it now--its not smoke because its made of gas and dust. Helium isn't smoke and neither is dust for instance.

If you asked me then everything was made out of nothing.
nothingness + nothingness = everything

This is such a fail equation. It means that 2 * nothingness = everything
nothingness = everything / 2

Truly that was breathtakingly ridiculous lol. Its like saying 10^1000 / 2 = nothingness. It makes no sense.

 

[FearGod]

That's a media fallacy. You're determining that the source isn't valid because its from a source you don't like "full of haters." Whether or not someone hates something has nothing to do with the validity of such a claim. You should reject the source based on its merits and the arguments it makes, not your interpretation of what the authors may or may not think about Islam.

I think we should discuss the scientific error and not just reading the anti websites,
so if you or he has one then lets discuss it.

 

[FearGod]

Then what the heck was the point of you bringing up the smoke then? So what if the Quran says there is some smoke in the universe. Wow such a strong prediction. its almost like they've burned some wood or something.

Seeing smoke in the sky from some wood isn't a reason to think that earth and the universe formed
from such condition, actually it doesn't make anysense by laymen to think that the solid earth was
smoke before being huge and solid.

Well at least you're getting it now--its not smoke because its made of gas and dust. Helium isn't smoke and neither is dust for instance.

It's still smoke regardless of what it contains, don't you want to agree then call it looks like smoke but it isn't smoke.

This is such a fail equation. It means that 2 * nothingness = everything
nothingness = everything / 2

Truly that was breathtakingly ridiculous lol. Its like saying 10^1000 / 2 = nothingness. It makes no sense.

That's the atheist view, no need for anything to start the universe, it started by its own.
and yes who created the creator, the next question.

 

[use_your_brain]

Wow now i've seen it all on this forum; your belief is correct because if it wasn't correct then you wouldn't believe it. That's the best example of circular reasoning i've seen. My beliefs are correct because I know they're right.


Now that you've finally admitted this the obvious conclusion is that at best the Quran is a few human's interpretation of a man's interpretation of divinely imparted knowledge e.g. muhammad. And all religions teach that they're correct and that their holy books are the word of God. What kind of abrahamic faith doesn't say their faith is base don the word of God?


I don't really know what you're trying to say and i fail to see how this connects to what i've said. Its a confusing sentence.

then disprove my belief is not correct.
writing down and interpretation are the two different things. men wrote down the book without any personal interpretation.
Which religions that teach theirs are correct? I don't find any one except Islam.

 

[serp777]

then disprove my belief is not correct.
writing down and interpretation are the two different things. men wrote down the book without any personal interpretation.
Which religions that teach theirs are correct? I don't find anyone except Islam.

argument from ignorance. Prove that the beliefs that Scientologists or Mormons have are incorrect.

 

[serp777]

I think we should discuss the scientific error and not just reading the anti websites,
so if you or he has one then lets discuss it.

im just highlighting your fallacy. You're rejecitng the source strictly because its an anti islamic website rather than on any logical or sensible basis. The correct thing to do would be to go and find their common arguments and evidence and refute it, showing that the source is unreliable. Asserting that you wont accept it is not sensible.

 

[FearGod]

im just highlighting your fallacy. You're rejecitng the source strictly because its an anti islamic website rather than on any logical or sensible basis. The correct thing to do would be to go and find their common arguments and evidence and refute it, showing that the source is unreliable. Asserting that you wont accept it is not sensible.

I won't debate a website, bring your ideas and views so we can discuss it.
Do you have one other than asking the help from an anti Islam websites?

 

[serp777]

Seeing smoke in the sky from some wood isn't a reason to think that earth and the universe formed
from such condition, actually it doesn't make anysense by laymen to think that the solid earth was
smoke before being huge and solid.



It's still smoke regardless of what it contains, don't you want to agree then call it looks like smoke but it isn't smoke.



That's the atheist view, no need for anything to start the universe, it started by its own.
and yes who created the creator, the next question.

Seeing smoke in the sky from some wood isn't a reason to think that earth and the universe formed
from such condition, actually it doesn't make anysense by laymen to think that the solid earth was
smoke before being huge and solid.

I didn't say that, you're making a strawman.

It's still smoke regardless of what it contains, don't you want to agree then call it looks like smoke but it isn't smoke.

So dirt is smoke by that logic since it doesn't matter what it contains. I said that they could look at nebulae and think that it kind of looks like smoke, and thus make some larger foolish conclusion. Again I ask you why did you even bring up the smoke? How is that evidence that the Quran is true?

That's the atheist view, no need for anything to start the universe, it started by its own.
and yes who created the creator, the next question.

I don't think you even know what atheism is. Most atheists would take the reasonable position that they DONT KNOW how the universe started, if it needed a start, or if something like an eternal multiverse is possible.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to-FearGod Freedom Of Mind
I asked you a simple question and ran away was not able to answer it
Now, I woke up from sleep and you want to present evidence on science in the Quran
If the Koran does not know the minimum period to carry the fetus
So how can the Koran, learn the secrets of the universe other ???

 

[serp777]

I won't debate a website, bring your ideas and views so we can discuss it.
Do you have one other than asking the help from an anti Islam websites?

So somebody needs to copy and paste it for you here rather than you just going to the website and looking? Also its not my source, im just pointing out the fallacy of your argument.

This is an example of one of the many many criticisms against islam:

The author of the Qur'an repeats a common view of the 7th century that the earth was a fixed and un-moving object with the stars, sun, and moon revolving around it. The author appears to be unaware that the earth is rotating around its axis and moving through space around the sun.

Is not He (better than your gods) Who has made the earth as a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst, and has placed firm mountains therein, and has set a barrier between the two seas (of salt and sweet water). Is there any ilah (god) with Allah? Nay, but most of them know not.
Qur'an 27:61
(Is not He Who has made the earth as a fixed abode,) meaning, stable and stationary, so that it does not move or convulse, because if it were to do so, it would not be a good place for people to live on. But by His grace and mercy, He has made it smooth and calm, and it is not shaken or moved
The Command to praise Allah and send Blessings on His Messengers

It would be like rejecting the Quran purely because its pro Islam. That argument isn't rational.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

No one will refuse a scientific evidence which can proves that the quran contains a scientific errors,
show us just one example which you think proves that the quran has a scientific error.

There are scientific errors in the Koran
The first of these errors is less time to carry the fetus and you ran away from the answer to the last question
Do you accept that recognize the fetus, which bears shall wife and six-month-old son that he ???Now you some scientific mistakes in
Rights says that the earth is round
But the Koran says it flat
The Koran says that people used to own two horn

It is the king of Morocco arrived in the land and see how the sun sets in the eye of Garrison
This legendary story in the Koran
Prove that the transfer of the myths of ancient civilizations
Do you think he can be a man watching the sunset and landing in the eye of Garrison in the ground ???erse 86 of Surat Al-Kahf
Verse 86 of Surah says: Even if Morocco was ٱchamms he found sojourned in the eye Hmeh found then some people said Iva ٱlqrnin either to freshen up and either take them WellYou must interpret the verse Hmeh eye on the meaning and not try to distort enough lie ...mohammed believe: the sun set in a spring of hot water
quran [18: 86] Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people .....
translated by:
Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali
&
Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan
Islamic University
Al-Madinah Al-Munawwarah - Saudi ArabiaKoran clearly shown, came down in their own language
Who understand the companions of this verse, it goes down inside the eye

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

So somebody needs to copy and paste it for you here rather than you just going to the website and looking? Also its not my source, im just pointing out the fallacy of your argument.

This is an example of one of the many many criticisms against islam:

From discusses the Muslims
It helps them to be free from the ideas and the myths of the Koran
For this reason, we are not against Islam, but we help the Muslim to be free
And also help humanity to know the truth of this thought
He thought very danger to all humanity

 

[FearGod]

im just highlighting your fallacy. You're rejecitng the source strictly because its an anti islamic website rather than on any logical or sensible basis. The correct thing to do would be to go and find their common arguments and evidence and refute it, showing that the source is unreliable. Asserting that you wont accept it is not sensible.

By experience i found it to be unreliable and an anti Islam website,
if you want to prove it otherwise then bring their views here to discuss it,
defend their position and i think we can start from here "the scientific errors"