Because humans admittedly wrote it. At most you can say it was inspired by God like I said. We don't actually know what God did or didn't say. You keep pre supposing that your beliefs are correct; how can you claim it is the word of God? because it says its the word of God? I mean cmon.
I am fairly sure that Muslims quite consistently believe that the text of the Qur'an is of literaly divine authorship. Humans wrote it, but only as a transcription method.
I believe many even take issue when the authorship is attributed to Muhammad.
It's still called smoke regardless of its contents.
This is just entirely, completely, hopelessly wrong.
This stance you and other Muslims have of both insisting that the Qur'an "can't be proven scientifically wrong" and that it is scientifically accurate reflects devastantingly on the credibility of Islamic proselitism.
No book can claim
any scientific value or accuracy on those grounds. Quite on the contrary, it is a sure-fire admission of scientific
worthlessness. Pressing the issue will just underscore that lack of scientific value. Not only value, but also of basic understanding of what scientific value is supposed to be.
Quite frankly, that suggests sheer desperation, even.
Nor is it even remotely reasonable to reject arguments and question on the grounds that they are anti-Islamic on origin. By attempting to do so you are in effect admitting defeat and refusing to even try to defend your claims.
It is actually scary that you seem to seriously expect people to refrain to question Islam just because.
Not going to happen. And it would be entirely wrong, in a very serious way, if it even began to happen. That way lie tyranny and fanaticism.
Peace be on you....
All I meant that all Muslims believe about perfection of Quran, but when they fall victim of such friendship of materialistic friends [instead of teaching them Quran] which affects these Muslims, they loose certain amount of their 'Muslim-ness' and doubts come into their minds.....They begin to say they were born in Islam but they do not care now.......There are such people everywhere who do not practice a faith but loosely keep its name with them......It is not a confusion, maybe a fusion of such non-practicing Muslims with disbelief......When I say All Muslims, it means those who believe, respect and try to practice Islam [regardless of sect].
So you are saying that the Qur'an is indeed perfect, but Muslims will not always have perfect attitudes. Is that correct?
1. Why do you think it is imperfect in the religious and theological senses?
2. What kind of its doctrine is wrong?
3. Why do you think the Quran is not an inspired book?
1. One decisive reason why I
know that it is imperfect, and tragically so at that, is because it is so freakingly theistic. As an atheist, I can tell you for sure that it is just wrong to insist on theism.
2. The need to believe in God is the most blatant.
3. I have read enough of it. But even more than that, I have seen what Its apologists learn and preach.
It is very much a settled matter to me.
Peace be on you.
""Why did Jesus prohibit the Gospel from being preached to the Gentiles during his ministry (Matthew 10:5, 7:6, 15:24-26) but after his 'resurrection' tell them to preach the Gospel to the whole world? (Mark 16:15)
If Jesus really had made the latter statement, why was there such a fierce debate within the early Church (and particularly between Peter and Paul) as to whether the Gospel should be preached to the Gentiles? (Acts 15:6-30)""
Ref:
https://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000040.html
[Note: Ahmadiyya-Muslims do not believe 'resurection of Jesus' he appeared like not alive, that is why it is written commas in above quotes, Jesus (a.s.) was taken away from cross, healed, migrated and preached to other tribes along way to Iran, Afghanistan, Kashmir with success]
Fair enough, but none of that challenges my claim that at least since Paul's Epistle to the Romans (which precedes the Qur'an by centuries) there were very explicit efforts at preaching for literally all people. I believe it goes far further in history than that, but Romans is a fairly unequivocal example that comes to mnd immediately.
Peace be on you.
Jesus was Jew, true. He was stressing on leniency. He did not bring a universal message. That is why he clearly said about things to come.
That is one possible interpretion about so many others, and not a particularly obvious one. Anyone may take or leave it as they want.
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To me its this literalism that got islam in trouble. It once was the learning center of the world, and the religion become to literal and it has never recovered.
Literalism is a deadly poison to religion, and will always be.
To play devil's advocate, a large empire, 1 billion adherents, the power to make people weep and carry out incredible acts of devotion, etc. is pretty dramatic in it's effects.
But your taking his statement out of context completely.
Readily perceptible wisdom should be for all people, not just the faithful.
And "your" dramatic is way out of context, 1 B fundamentalist is very dramatic. But what he had in mind was more along the lines of having a real impact on every reader because it was truly from a non human origin showing supreme intellect and IQ that transcends humanity.
I must agree with Outhouse here, Augustus. He is indeed accurate in what he is saying.
Quite simply, by reading of the Qur'an and even more by listening to Islamic apologists I
can have no doubt whatsoever that the Qur'an is not even particularly inspired, let alone of actual divine origin. We will not even consider that matter of assured protection from corruption of the text.
Does my answer have to do with Christianity?
Do you think God wrote the book?
Which historical and scientific errors do you talk about?
if the quran belonged to the errors then certainly we got islam in trouble.
That is exactly what I think. Islam is not only in trouble, but quite likely doomed to die a very protacted, very painful death.
It just refuses to show
any indications that it might perhaps
not collapse under its own weight.
Yes humans wrote the book. who else can do that?
I do believe because it is worthy to be believed. Let alone it is a true book. if not then I wont to believe it. very simple.
can you show me the incorrect thing in my holy book? Propose one example. not a whole anti islamic site. YOU CAN'T.
Do you realize how illogical such a request is?
You're sourcing from anti Islam website, speak from your own mind than from the haters.
Bring here one scientific error in the quran to discuss it.
No one will refuse a scientific evidence which can proves that the quran contains a scientific errors,
show us just one example which you think proves that the quran has a scientific error.
And you, too?
Such demands serve only to make you both appear desperate and lacking in arguments or even in faith.
