Because it insists on affirming things that I know to be untrue, such as the need to disapprove of disbelief and of homosexuality.
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How on earth can the Qur'an be considered the perfect book?
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use_your_brain
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Why do you think it is a false concept? which concept the correct one then?
use_your_brain
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Why do you think Islam is untrue?
just because islam disapproves of some things it doesn't make it to be untrue.
Personally, I find the idea of interdependent origination far more sensible, useful and constructive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratītyasamutpāda
"Sin" in the Abrahamic sense is simply too counterproductive an idea for me to consider taking seriously.
It will depend on what those things are. These are plenty enough to establish its untruth.
use_your_brain
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I don't find so far why you claim islam is untrue.
what is this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratītyasamutpāda
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so you disapprove on what sin is according to the abrahamic religions? or you feel to be blasphemed?
use_your_brain
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then tell me according to your independent idea.
I am having considerable trouble parsing what you are asking me, but I will give it a try nonetheless.
Because it affirms the truth of things that I know to be false. Is that not reason enough?
Yes. I find the whole concept of "sin" to be misguided and harmful.
Both Christianity and Islam would do themselves a favor by letting go of it and choosing better considered religious concepts to use in its place.
That is just how it is. I have no problem with that, nor should I.
Because it affirms the truth of things that I know to be false. Is that not reason enough?
Yes. I find the whole concept of "sin" to be misguided and harmful.
Both Christianity and Islam would do themselves a favor by letting go of it and choosing better considered religious concepts to use in its place.
I am very much a blasphemer by both Christian and Muslim parameters.
That is just how it is. I have no problem with that, nor should I.
What do you want me to tell you?
gnostic
The Lost One
The story of Satan (iblis) refusing to prostrate the creation of Adam... Questionable.
The belief in jinns being a race of smokeless fire.... Questionable.
The story that Solomon can understand and speak to birds and ants... Questionable.
The story that Solomon can control jinns... Questionable.
The story that Solomon can control winds... Questionable.
The stories of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael and Moses... Since there are no evidences that there any of these people, historically exist... All questionable.
Muhammad being visited by angel Gabriel... Questionable.
That Allah wrote the Qur'an... Questionable.
Muhammad calling himself a prophet or the "Messenger".... Questionable.
use_your_brain
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what is your reason by saying islam is false?
why do you think you are not a sinner?
just because someone tells you that you are sinner that hurt your feeling it doesn't mean they are untrue.
use_your_brain
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your truth-ness criteria.
use_your_brain
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then examine those questionable stories.
That is an awfully ambitious question to ask, but I can assure you that part of those criteria are that, to be true, something must not treat homosexuality or transgenderism as if they were morally wrong in any way.
Also, anything that is true will not insist that people must believe in a Creator God.
use_your_brain
Active Member
okay then.
gnostic
The Lost One
I find the Christians and Muslims view on "sins" to be the great hypocrisy. They tell everyone else - "You are sinful", and they do exactly that...sinned.
Muhammad is one of the biggest hypocrites. He teaches that it is a sin to steal and murder, and yet what did Muhammad do, while he was living in Medina?
Muhammad led his band of followers to raid merchant caravans. They robbed caravans, and in one of those raids, killed a caravan guard. Muslims were armed robbers, and have acted like bandits or pirates.
Muhammad had also approved of couple assassinations, when someone (Khaled bin Sufyan & Abu Rafi) dared to criticise him, his followers and his religion. Assassination is muder, but did Muhammad have Abdullah ibn Unais and 'Abdullah ibn 'Atik arrested and charge for murders?
When Muslims quote (i am paraphrasing here), "if one murder a person it's as if he muder whole of mankind", from the Qur'an 5:32, it is utterly meaningless, if Muhammad let his two followers get away with murders.
It would seem that the law that Muhammad tried to make everyone follow, don't really apply to him or Muslims, as long as they rob or kill someone who don't follow Islam.
That the hypocrisy of Muhammad and Islam, the law only apply to them ONLY when it convenient them. It's double standard and twisting the law whenever it suit them.
gnostic
The Lost One
I have read them and examine them, and for that reasons why I find the stories in the Qur'an - "questionable".
You call yourself - use_your_brain - but it would seem that you are not using yours.
use_your_brain
Active Member
and what is your conclusion?
can we review them one by one?
let us start from: satan denied prostating before adam.
use_your_brain
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can you tell me whom was killed by the prophet ?
did he really raid the caravans? why?
why did he approve some of the assassinations? what were his reasons that back his decisions?
does the verse Quran 5:32 toward him or toward anyone else? why do you cut the verse?