Huge gap between humans and animals

[Bear Wild]

this form in which we wander about.....
produces a unique spirit on each occasion

and you would have belief?......we are as primals

As does all life.

 

[Thief]

As does all life.

so your pet dog is the same as my pet dog?
but no
different spirits?

and whose spirit is greater?

your dog's?

or yours?

and who shall God favor?

 

[Bear Wild]

so your pet dog is the same as my pet dog?
but no
different spirits?

and whose spirit is greater?

your dog's?

or yours?

and who shall God favor?

No they are different no better or no less. Neither has a greater or lesser spirit. All life is unique. If god is good non shall god favor of the other.

 

[FearGod]

Atheists and Baha'is view science the same way, science is science as it is Atheists make the philosophical NAturalist assumption that God(s) do not exist.

Though, your hostility toward the Baha'i Faith is apparent.

Yes I respect science and I have no problem with the Atheist not believing
that God exist since they don't have evidence at least they don't worship
a man making himself as God.

 

[FearGod]

You are confusing. If you believe in evolution then you understand why humans are no more or less unique or special then any other form of life. So why do you make such a claim that humans are superior or more unique? Why do you say humans were planned when we were no more planned than any other living thing? If you understand evolution then there are patterns that are more selected for as exampled by convergent evolution but that is not the same as a planned direction. That is a concept of intelligent design not evolution.

Many animals fly, many animals walk, many animals swim, many animals slither,
but tell me how many animals choose a religion.

 

[Polymath257]

Many animals fly, many animals walk, many animals swim, many animals slither,
but tell me how many animals choose a religion.

We don't know. Do dolphins and elephants have religion? Maybe.

 

[Thief]

No they are different no better or no less. Neither has a greater or lesser spirit. All life is unique. If god is good non shall god favor of the other.

a quote I've heard......No one is good but the Father

so there is at least One Spirit.....different than all the others
AND your belief seems to leave out.....judgement call

none for yourself
none OF yourself
none for anyone else
and none OF anyone else

sorry to say.....that's kinda shallow

 

[Audie]

Yes I respect science and I have no problem with the Atheist not believing
that God exist since they don't have evidence at least they don't worship
a man making himself as God.

The way Jesus-worshipers do?

 

[Revoltingest]

We don't know. Do dolphins and elephants have religion? Maybe.

I do that cetaceans often officiate at weddings.

 

[ecco]

... explain their views and I do defend mine.

Saying "GodDitIt" is not much of a defense of anything. If anything, it's the opposite. For thousands of years humans have said GodDitIt to explain lightning, volcanoes, hurricanes, floods. They have always been wrong. Why would you use a defense that has been proven wrong over and over?

 

[FearGod]

Saying "GodDitIt" is not much of a defense of anything. If anything, it's the opposite. For thousands of years humans have said GodDitIt to explain lightning, volcanoes, hurricanes, floods. They have always been wrong. Why would you use a defense that has been proven wrong over and over?

I don't think that they believed that God did lightning and other natural phenomena otherwise
people should have challenged their prophets to ask God to make it rains ...etc

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

It's like saying the computers make good results because of the programs and not
because of the computers and how it was made, who's the naive then!

I'm glad you made this analogy... it works so well against all that you have been saying so far - and, per usual, you don't even realize it.

I pose that it is EXACTLY as you describe. The computer is nearly WORTHLESS without the programs. It becomes a machine for pushing around low and high voltages. That's all. It does almost NOTHING.

And as a thought experiment to show how this also pretty much applies to humans, let's pretend for a moment that you are stranded on an ARCTIC deserted island. Being so much more ADVANCED than all the rest of the animal kingdom (as you claim), you should be FINE, right??! Take away all that you have due to your ancestors and forbears - take away the nice, tailored clothing and well-made fabrics, take away the leather shoes/boots that you're accustomed to wearing that YOU didn't make yourself, take away shelter and knowledge that has been passed on to you of how to use the materials around you to your advantage. You get NOTHING you didn't actually produce yourself or can be applied from knowledge you gained through your own experience in life so far. How do you think you'd fair? Just like the computer without a program to run on it - you'd find yourself nearly worthless. And you would very likely die in the cold.

Now let's imagine a penguin is stranded on that same arctic island...

 

[gnostic]

Many animals fly, many animals walk, many animals swim, many animals slither,
but tell me how many animals choose a religion.

Believing, choosing or inventing a religion is really not big plus, given the track record of human history for murders and tortures all in the name of religion, name of god, the names of prophets or messiah.

Religions have also introduced biased, favoritisms, and persecution. Again, not a big plus.

And people often make up stories, and treating the stories as if they were true, even if it defied the law of nature (creation, Flood, talking animals, miracles, resurrection, reincarnation, afterlife, divine judgement, angels, demons, jinns, etc).

 

[Shad]

I'm glad you made this analogy... it works so well against all that you have been saying so far - and, per usual, you don't even realize it.

I pose that it is EXACTLY as you describe. The computer is nearly WORTHLESS without the programs. It becomes a machine for pushing around low and high voltages. That's all. It does almost NOTHING.

And as a thought experiment to show how this also pretty much applies to humans, let's pretend for a moment that you are stranded on an ARCTIC deserted island. Being so much more ADVANCED than all the rest of the animal kingdom (as you claim), you should be FINE, right??! Take away all that you have due to your ancestors and forbears - take away the nice, tailored clothing and well-made fabrics, take away the leather shoes/boots that you're accustomed to wearing that YOU didn't make yourself, take away shelter and knowledge that has been passed on to you of how to use the materials around you to your advantage. You get NOTHING you didn't actually produce yourself or can be applied from knowledge you gained through your own experience in life so far. How do you think you'd fair? Just like the computer without a program to run on it - you'd find yourself nearly worthless. And you would very likely die in the cold.

Now let's imagine a penguin is stranded on that same arctic island...

Completely agree regarding how people overestimate human ability in a grand scale by using history. Fact is if we lost electricity billions would die especially those in urban centers.

 

[FearGod]

I'm glad you made this analogy... it works so well against all that you have been saying so far - and, per usual, you don't even realize it.

I pose that it is EXACTLY as you describe. The computer is nearly WORTHLESS without the programs. It becomes a machine for pushing around low and high voltages. That's all. It does almost NOTHING.

And as a thought experiment to show how this also pretty much applies to humans, let's pretend for a moment that you are stranded on an ARCTIC deserted island. Being so much more ADVANCED than all the rest of the animal kingdom (as you claim), you should be FINE, right??! Take away all that you have due to your ancestors and forbears - take away the nice, tailored clothing and well-made fabrics, take away the leather shoes/boots that you're accustomed to wearing that YOU didn't make yourself, take away shelter and knowledge that has been passed on to you of how to use the materials around you to your advantage. You get NOTHING you didn't actually produce yourself or can be applied from knowledge you gained through your own experience in life so far. How do you think you'd fair? Just like the computer without a program to run on it - you'd find yourself nearly worthless. And you would very likely die in the cold.

Now let's imagine a penguin is stranded on that same arctic island...

God perfect plan, hardware and software, both should be in harmony to work,
do you really realize what you said and how everything was available for humans
to be able to live such a specific way of life compared to all animals on earth?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Why only humans are different than the rest of animals in terms of thinking, talking
and the way of living, no animal can be compared to humans?

Can you do half the stuff some animals can do?

which animal on earth made a bathroom

Many animals have specific locations to pee. Some even discard or bury their poop.

which animal on earth write
and read

How do you know they don't? Ants lay down a pheromone trail. Are they not "writing" stuff down?

Do they live in nicer homes than they did thousands of years ago?

Of course many do. They started living in ours. Never make what you can steal.

Where as human beings have spaceships that go to the Moon, satellites in the sky, and cell phones.

Which all break and are expensive novelty items. Tools to get the termites out of the hole are more practical and efficient.

Sorry, but your examples are silly compared to the reality that humans are unique
creatures in this planet.

Our sense of superiority is going to get us killed, likely within the century. The cockroaches are going to laugh and laugh and laugh ....

If you were to gather a hundred crows, or pigeons, or lions, or crocodiles, etc. all the same sex, and line then up, or pack them in a stadium, or field, you would not be able to tell the difference one apart from the other.

But they would. If you line up a hundred people, depending on the demographics, "they all look alike."

On the other hand, if you pack thousands of people in a stadium, it quickly becomes evident that humans have different unique features and characteristics, one from another.

Not according to racists.

I don't think a blue whale understands how to fast.

Most animals wouldn't think it smart to deprive yourself of food.

I think animals imitate learned behaviors.

Isn't that all we do?

I admire the intelligence of animals, but the do not come close to the vastly superior intelligence of humans.

Very few are screwing up the planet as fast as we are.

I wonder if you can differentiate the faces of 2 ants.

With a good enough microscope you could. They just smell each other to determine who's who.

If what you say is true, point to a real example of someone who can catch a healthy lion, or shark, and keep it for a week. Release it - no tag, and after a week, go and search for it, and identify it.

The people studying it would be able to. It's almost like if you can't do something, neither can anyone else on the entire planet.

You think they would do a better job of cleaning up the mess on earth?

I doubt they'd mess it up that bad anyway.

I think what many are missing is I think @FearGod is referring to the human ability to do things outstanding that no other creatures has done.

But does that make us smart? "Hey, I just invented a nuclear bomb. It has no function other than complete obliteration of the species. Yay me!"

No other species on this planet in the history of the existence of Earth has ever created a judicial system where offenses are judged.

This is inaccurate. Many social species will punish an individual that goes beyond the "rules".

I don't see an owl writing literature on the significance of sexual education for HIV prevention.

If they can't catch it (I'm aware of similar viruses for chimps and cats, but never owls), why bother?

I'm sure if you were stuck in the wild and you had the choice between a dog and a human I'm sure you'd pick a human.

No. I'd pick the dog. The dog will hear and smell things way before I will. Adding another human just adds another useless individual.

All animals walking naked except humans

There are plenty of naked humans and plenty of animals who accessorize at the very least.

 

[Bear Wild]

God perfect plan, hardware and software, both should be in harmony to work,
do you really realize what you said and how everything was available for humans
to be able to live such a specific way of life compared to all animals on earth?

You missed what he was saying that the human animal is not superior to other life. Ask anyone who has become lost in the wild. Our socialization which lead to increased complexity of communication is evolving in other organisms. But again you miss the big picture - what good are computers, language, inventions if we are not smart enough to live in harmony the natural world we live in. If we eliminate the other unique forms of life with their own special characteristics where will we really be. You cant eat a computer. Buildings and roads to not make oxygen which replace the land for plants. When mass starvation begins which it has already started to develop as we outstrip the carrying capacity of the world then tell me just how smart and well designed we are. Yes we will then be truly unique, the only organism to destroy the world it lives in with no intellectual capacity to perceive what it is doing and how fast. So are you suggesting and animal that can trash the world until it is unlivable is really that well designed? Why would a god design an organism that would destroy the world that the god designed?

 

[Thief]

You missed what he was saying that the human animal is not superior to other life. Ask anyone who has become lost in the wild. Our socialization which lead to increased complexity of communication is evolving in other organisms. But again you miss the big picture - what good are computers, language, inventions if we are not smart enough to live in harmony the natural world we live in. If we eliminate the other unique forms of life with their own special characteristics where will we really be. You cant eat a computer. Buildings and roads to not make oxygen which replace the land for plants. When mass starvation begins which it has already started to develop as we outstrip the carrying capacity of the world then tell me just how smart and well designed we are. Yes we will then be truly unique, the only organism to destroy the world it lives in with no intellectual capacity to perceive what it is doing and how fast. So are you suggesting and animal that can trash the world until it is unlivable is really that well designed? Why would a god design an organism that would destroy the world that the god designed?

you are assuming the purpose of Man

that he live in harmony and die like any animal

nay

go forth, be fruitful, multiply.....dominate.....all things

as a species it would be known to the Creator the consequence

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

God perfect plan, hardware and software, both should be in harmony to work,
do you really realize what you said and how everything was available for humans
to be able to live such a specific way of life compared to all animals on earth?

But it wasn't always so! Don't you get that? And it wasn't "by God's will" that we obtained all that we have that makes life so much easier for us. That is complete nonsense - even IF God exists. And that kind of thinking belittles the efforts of all of the people who have gone before us and worked to make these conveniences a reality for the rest of us. Those who worked to make people's lives last longer. Worked to keep us out of the darkness and the cold. GOD DID NOT DO THESE THINGS. Humans did. And my appreciation for that is pointed in the RIGHT direction. Unlike yours... which may as well be pointed into a ditch.

Your way of thinking on this topic is disgraceful. Plain and simple.

 

[Audie]

But it wasn't always so! Don't you get that? And it wasn't "by God's will" that we obtained all that we have that makes life so much easier for us. That is complete nonsense - even IF God exists. And that kind of thinking belittles the efforts of all of the people who have gone before us and worked to make these conveniences a reality for the rest of us. Those who worked to make people's lives last longer. Worked to keep us out of the darkness and the cold. GOD DID NOT DO THESE THINGS. Humans did. And my appreciation for that is pointed in the RIGHT direction. Unlike yours... which may as well be pointed into a ditch.

Your way of thinking on this topic is disgraceful. Plain and simple.

For those who think their earliest ancestors
were "Adam and Eve" a few thousanf years ago,
I wish there would be an aftrrlife so they can meet
their ancestors.

The hundreds of thousands of years of men and
women, whose joys, pains, struggles and sacrifices
made their life possible,!

How awful to say of them, "No, you never even existed."