Huge gap between humans and animals

[FearGod]

#FearGod

I don't know where you live but there has been a great series on BBC4 called Origins of Us, Alice Roberts is the presenter and she also concluded that the brain was the reason for our success. The last show in a series of 3 was on last night..if you can, watch and learn....

BBC iPlayer - Origins of Us - 3. Brains

The video doesn't work, copy rights
Anyway, did she explain why only humans have super brains, was it unbeneficial
for the rest of the animals, or just humans were luckier?

 

[FearGod]

The human being is not objectively "unique." To assert otherwise is arrogance.

If you think you're similar to the chimp, then that's what you think of yourself

There are plenty of things that don't look "dumb" to me... just don't count yourself among them.

Insane people don't know that there's something wrong with them

 

[Polymath257]

If you think you're similar to the chimp, then that's what you think of yourself

Well, we *are* very similar to chimps. From our basic biology, to even our mental capabilities, there are definite similarities. For example, did you know that chimps have a better number sense than most humans?

 

[Polymath257]

The video doesn't work, copy rights
Anyway, did she explain why only humans have super brains, was it unbeneficial
for the rest of the animals, or just humans were luckier?

It was beneficial to our ancestors in the environment in which they lived. It was not as beneficial to the ancestors of other species. Big brains take up a LOT of energy and resources that can be directed to other aspects of survival.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

If you think you're similar to the chimp, then that's what you think of yourself

Can you tell me specifically what problems you have with chimps? What is "wrong" about a creature being a chimp?

Insane people don't know that there's something wrong with them

This is a very keen self-observation you've got here. The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem. I'm proud of you.

 

[Polymath257]

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[FearGod]

Can you tell me specifically what problems you have with chimps? What is "wrong" about a creature being a chimp?

Did I say there's something wrong with you?

This is a very keen self-observation you've got here. The first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem. I'm proud of you.

The insane person believe all humans are insane, I believe all humans are sane and they differ
from the rest of the animals.

 

[FearGod]

Well, we *are* very similar to chimps. From our basic biology, to even our mental capabilities, there are definite similarities. For example, did you know that chimps have a better number sense than most humans?

Did chimps achieved anything on earth, no animal on earth is comparable to humans.

 

[FearGod]

It was beneficial to our ancestors in the environment in which they lived. It was not as beneficial to the ancestors of other species. Big brains take up a LOT of energy and resources that can be directed to other aspects of survival.

Do you mean those who have bigger brains and smarter failed to survive?

 

[ecco]

Human beings are the literal children of God.

Human beings are not animals.

You forgot to qualify your comments with "IMHO" or "In the opinion of the Church of Latter Day Saints".

Everyone is free to share their opinion without the use of such qualifiers.

That is correct. I was just making sure that you also realized that your comments were nothing more than unsubstantiated opinion.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Did I say there's something wrong with you?

I take this to mean that you consider me a chimp? Well then fine... you see... we chimps aren't so different from humans after all! We have even learned to use computers and debate you humans on the internet. In other words... you're not really helping your point here...

The insane person believe all humans are insane, I believe all humans are sane and they differ from the rest of the animals.

You need to reread what you said here. This is exactly why I can't take the vast majority of theists seriously. So many theists contradict themselves and get their words tied up in knots so often that it becomes impossible to accept them as rational, well-thinking individuals.

See above where you use two completely contradictory statements in the same sentence. i will extract them here so you can take a look:

1. "The insane person believe[sic]..."
   
2. "I believe all humans are sane"

So, in one half the sentence you clearly tell us that you feel that "insane people" exist - which we can infer are insane humans. And then in the next half of the very same sentence, you say that you believe that "all humans" are sane. You don't think about things in any sort of logical light, or how well they will help/hurt the case you are trying to make before you say or post them. You simply don't. And yet, even with the flagrant disregard for rationality that you display, you expect me to admit/concede/feel that you are the one with the better viewpoint? How in the hell is that supposed to happen?

 

[FearGod]

I take this to mean that you consider me a chimp? Well then fine... you see... we chimps aren't so different from humans after all! We have even learned to use computers and debate you humans on the internet. In other words... you're not really helping your point here...

Good news then, you're evolving.

You need to reread what you said here. This is exactly why I can't take the vast majority of theists seriously. So many theists contradict themselves and get their words tied up in knots so often that it becomes impossible to accept them as rational, well-thinking individuals.

See above where you use two completely contradictory statements in the same sentence. i will extract them here so you can take a look:

1. "The insane person believe[sic]..."
   
2. "I believe all humans are sane"

So, in one half the sentence you clearly tell us that you feel that "insane people" exist - which we can infer are insane humans. And then in the next half of the very same sentence, you say that you believe that "all humans" are sane. You don't think about things in any sort of logical light, or how well they will help/hurt the case you are trying to make before you say or post them. You simply don't. And yet, even with the flagrant disregard for rationality that you display, you expect me to admit/concede/feel that you are the one with the better viewpoint? How in the hell is that supposed to happen?

I explained to you how the insane person see the world around him and how the sane person
see the world around him, in easy words, the insane see all people around him as insane,
while the sane see the people around him as sane

 

[viole]

Silly attempts to show that humans is just like any other animal on earth,
but yes some humans are very close to the rest of the animals, the donkey
for example doesn't have religion similar to the atheists.

I never said that humans are like any other animals on earth. They are not.
My point is that there are other animals that are not like any other animal on earth. Which is obvious.

So, logically, humans are not like other animals, but they share that characteristic with other animals.

Got that? It is not so difficult.

Ciao

- viole

 

[FearGod]

I never said that humans are like any other animals on earth. They are not.
My point is that there are other animals that are not like any other animal on earth. Which is obvious.

So, logically, humans are not like other animals, but they share that characteristic with other animals.

Got that? It is not so difficult.

Ciao

- viole

It isn't so difficult to realize and to understand that humans are different than
the rest of the animals, not of terms of size, or food ..etc, but in terms of life itself,
many animals that walk on 4 legs, many animals that fly ...etc, no animal
think about what tasks to do for tomorrow or what the plans for this
year, only humans that have such amazing power of thinking and
the amazing ability of communication.

 

[viole]

It isn't so difficult to realize and to understand that humans are different than
the rest of the animals, not of terms of size, or food ..etc, but in terms of life itself,
many animals that walk on 4 legs, many animals that fly ...etc, no animal
think about what tasks to do for tomorrow or what the plans for this
year, only humans that have such amazing power of thinking and
the amazing ability to communicate.

Yes. I agree.

But whales are also different from the rest of the animals. Many animals are different from the rest of the other animals. By definition, almost.

So what?

Ciao

- viole

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I explained to you how the insane person see the world around him and how the sane person
see the world around him, in easy words, the insane see all people around him as insane,
while the sane see the people around him as sane

Which means that you do see some people around you as insane. You're calling some people "insane" - even by describing how "insane" people see the world around them you are admitting that you label some people "insane." How can you not understand this?

 

[FearGod]

Which means that you do see some people around you as insane. You're calling some people "insane" - even by describing how "insane" people see the world around them you are admitting that you label some people "insane." How can you not understand this?

I say it’s a bull, and you say milk it

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I say it’s a bull, and you say milk it

The content of your reply says so much more to me than you will ever know. Take care.

 

[Bear Wild]

Atheists are really funny.

Who's an atheist?

 

[Bear Wild]

let's toss a set of hands unto that post of yours

brains are better in humans
so are the mechanics that allow us to experiment to a much higher degree

That is true, I will not argue but at the same time humans are dependent on all of the other unique life. We cannot live without even the simplest of bacteria. Our specialty is our intelligence and ability to manipulate things to our advantage far more than any other organisms, but the greatest mistake is to believe we are separate from all other life but we are intimately connected. Thus all life is unique and has its place in our world. It reminds me of what Alan Watts from the 1960's observed. The bee needs the flower for its nectar to live and the flower needs the bee to for pollination so they are separate and yet intimately connected so in one aspect the are one. The problem is not that we cannot enjoy our uniqueness we just cannot see ourselves as superior for that is a dangerous belief. We need to enjoy the uniqueness of all life.