• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Humans did NOT evolve from the common ancestor of Apes

Aman777

Bible Believer
There is no doubt that the fertile crescent was a centre of agriculture in prehistoric time.

However if you have a look at

Ohalo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You will find evidence of agriculture twice as old as that. Still in the same area though.

So the best you can do is say that this is likely the first example of agriculture because it was as the name suggests "fertile". If it was the "rocky dry crescent" you would not have agriculture.

The rest is unsupported surmise.

Dear Quaxotic, Can you identify the people you CLAIM planted those crops? Of course not, since Grains grow wild in the area. Your "evidence" is refuted since Humans didn't arrive until the time enlarged and bolded below. Try this site:

Ancient Agriculture -- Ancient History Encyclopedia

From the site: Identifying an exact origin of agriculture remains problematic because the transition from hunter-gatherer societies began thousands of years before the invention of writing. It isn't until after 9,500 BCE that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas, lentils, bitter vetch, chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on sites in the Levant, although the consensus is that wheat was the first to be sown and harvested on a significant scale.

ISIL is the Islamic State in the Levant, today. Human Civilization began and will end in the same area where Noah arrived, and brought to FIRST Humans to our Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes, who DO NOT Farm, and NEVER did. Try again? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
You mean like a lot of modern humans continue to do today?

If he had the same skeleton, the same DNA, as well as having artistic expression, capabilities for complex language, capability for abstract thinking, capability for strategic and tactical thinking, social/tribal instincts, and many of the other qualifiers for full behavioral modernity that were known to exist well before the Neolithic revolution, then I'd absolutely call this person a human.

Dear Riverwolf, The difference between Humans and Prehistoric people are many. It's true that we are identical Physically and this has confounded Evols who believe that because Humans look like prehistoric people, then we MUST be the same. This is totally false since Humans have been on this Earth for only 10k years.

Scientists are confused because they have REJECTED God's Truth which tells us that Humans were made Billions of years BEFORE any other living creature, Gen 2:4-7 including the sons of God (prehistoric people), who evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, in the water, Gen 1:21 beginning some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. Humans were FIRST made, and NOT last, since Humans are destined to have dominion over the whole Earth. Gen 1:28

Prehistoric people were NOT Humans because ONLY the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans, have INHERITED his unique, superior, intelligence, which is like God's. Gen 3:22 What it shows is that the ToE needs to be updated so they can QUIT teaching their False Assumption that Humans are nothing but animals, to our innocent little children. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
Your desire for it to be evidence is self-evident, but it is also self-evident that your would-be evidence is not.

Would I call an animal who lived in a Cave, and chased other animals for his food, never planted a crop, nor built himself a home, a modern Human? Sure, it that's in fact what his genome is.

Dear Sapiens, I noticed that you did NOT post ANYthing which shows that Human Farming began EARLIER than in the Fertile Crescent. IF you happen to run across any, please post it. I promse NOT to call it "evidence."

The Human genome was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) when they married and produced children with Noah's grandsons. Gen 6:1-4 That is WHY Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes, and NOT because we magically evolved from some old nasty animal.

Before you CLAIM that men wrote the Bible, you MUST explain HOW ancient men of 3k years ago knew to put this Genetic Evidence in Genesis. I don't think you can. If you would like, cuss me out and call me stupid, but it won't change what is actually written in God's Holy Word. It's PROOF of God unless you can explain HOW any man of the time could have possibly known this. Get ready for Judgment. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Delta-9

Member
Any that demonstrate how human we are.

Were about to offer a line drawn?

What line are you looking for? A human is any member of our species, some use it more generally for any species within the genus Homo making Neanderthal and friends human too.
 

McBell

Unbound
Dear Sapiens, I noticed that you did NOT post ANYthing which shows that Human Farming began EARLIER than in the Fertile Crescent. IF you happen to run across any, please post it. I promse NOT to call it "evidence."

The Human genome was contaminated by the blood of the sons of God (prehistoric people) when they married and produced children with Noah's grandsons. Gen 6:1-4 That is WHY Humans have the DNA and ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes, and NOT because we magically evolved from some old nasty animal.

Before you CLAIM that men wrote the Bible, you MUST explain HOW ancient men of 3k years ago knew to put this Genetic Evidence in Genesis. I don't think you can. If you would like, cuss me out and call me stupid, but it won't change what is actually written in God's Holy Word. It's PROOF of God unless you can explain HOW any man of the time could have possibly known this. Get ready for Judgment. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

Your use of the Forer Effect is most entertaining.
Not the least bit helpful in any way, but entertaining non the less.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Dear Sapiens, I noticed that you did NOT post ANYthing which shows that Human Farming began EARLIER than in the Fertile Crescent. IF you happen to run across any, please post it. I promse NOT to call it "evidence."
Is your problem laziness or stupidity? Just check wiki:

Agriculture involving domestication of plants and animals was developed around 12,000 years ago, although earlier people began altering communities of flora and fauna for their own benefit through other means such as fire-stick farming prior to that.[1][2] Agriculture has undergone significant developments since the time of the earliest cultivation. The Fertile Crescent of Western Asia, Egypt and India were sites of the earliest planned sowing and harvesting of plants that had previously been gathered in the wild. Independent development of agriculture occurred in northern and southern China, Africa's Sahel, New Guinea, parts of India and several regions of the Americas.[3]
 

The Neo Nerd

Well-Known Member
Interesting website thankyou.

However allow me to separate the what you have given evidence for and what is unsupported surmise

Dear Quaxotic, Can you identify the people you CLAIM planted those crops? Of course not, since Grains grow wild in the area. Your "evidence" is refuted since Humans didn't arrive until the time enlarged and bolded below. Try this site:

Ancient Agriculture -- Ancient History Encyclopedia

From the site: Identifying an exact origin of agriculture remains problematic because the transition from hunter-gatherer societies began thousands of years before the invention of writing. It isn't until after 9,500 BCE that the eight so-called founder crops of agriculture appear: first emmer and einkorn wheat, then hulled barley, peas, lentils, bitter vetch, chick peas and flax. These eight crops occur more or less simultaneously on sites in the Levant, although the consensus is that wheat was the first to be sown and harvested on a significant scale.

Evidence based

ISIL is the Islamic State in the Levant, today. Human Civilization began and will end in the same area where Noah arrived, and brought to FIRST Humans to our Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes, who DO NOT Farm, and NEVER did. Try again? God Bless you.

Unsupported surmise.

Also just because a civilisation did not show all of the 8 founder crops does not mean they did not engage in agriculture.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
Dear Shad, Science has refuted the Goatherder Theology of what Genesis is saying. Science has NOT refuted what is actually written, because it's PROOF of God, no matter what you think. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

It actually has since parts of Genesis are factual in error. The Bible is the claim not the proof.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
And heaven is made of children.....so I've heard.

Angels with swords....and easily offended?

I think it likely.

And I thought my Gods were petty... call any of them a name and they just laugh.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Prehistoric people were NOT Humans because ONLY the descendants of Adam, the common ancestor of ALL Humans,

For whom there's no evidence of any historical existence. Therefore, this assertion can be dismissed.

After all, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And remember that the contents of the Bible are not evidence, because they are not relevant.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
For whom there's no evidence of any historical existence. Therefore, this assertion can be dismissed.

After all, that which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And remember that the contents of the Bible are not evidence, because they are not relevant.

Dear Riverwolf, The evidence is shown by your ability to post. ONLY Humans post because all Humans have inherited the highest form of intelligence from Adam, who was a man who never stepped foot on this Earth, NO animal posts, and please don't tell me Humans are animals.

The historic evidence is there to see but Peter tells us that the Scoffers/Evols of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" of the Truth that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned. ll Peter 3;3-7 For more than 99% of the time since mankind diverged from Chimps, prehistoric man roamed the Earth. slept in holes, and chased little animals to eat. He never planted a crop nor built a house, nor a city.

SUDDENLY, within ONE generation, some 10k years ago, modern Humans appeared in the valleys just south of the mountains of Ararat. The FIRST evidence of Human agriculture appeared in Northern Mesopotamia, crops were grown and cities built in the Cradle of Human civilization and math and writing developed. Noah's grandsons had married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived from Adam's world, Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE and brought Human intelligence to this Planet.

FYI, The sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (Adam's descendants) could produce children with each other. Gen 6:1-4

Since then, in LESS than 1% of the time since mankind diverged from Chimps, the descendants of Adam (Humans) have gone from Caves to the Moon and back safely, because Humans did NOT evolve from Apes. They came from Adam's world, which was totally destroyed in the Flood, no matter how many mortal scientists are "willingly ignorant" of this event. It's God's Truth. Are you willingly ignorant of God's Truth? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
It actually has since parts of Genesis are factual in error. The Bible is the claim not the proof.

Dear Shad, False, UNLESS you can show us which parts of Genesis are in error. I don't think you can. What you will prove is your own inability to understand Scripture. 1Co 2:14 It's typical for those who have not been born Spiritually, but give it a try. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Dear Riverwolf, The evidence is shown by your ability to post. ONLY Humans post because all Humans have inherited the highest form of intelligence from Adam, who was a man who never stepped foot on this Earth, NO animal posts, and please don't tell me Humans are animals.

The historic evidence is there to see but Peter tells us that the Scoffers/Evols of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" of the Truth that Adam's world was totally destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned. ll Peter 3;3-7 For more than 99% of the time since mankind diverged from Chimps, prehistoric man roamed the Earth. slept in holes, and chased little animals to eat. He never planted a crop nor built a house, nor a city.

SUDDENLY, within ONE generation, some 10k years ago, modern Humans appeared in the valleys just south of the mountains of Ararat. The FIRST evidence of Human agriculture appeared in Northern Mesopotamia, crops were grown and cities built in the Cradle of Human civilization and math and writing developed. Noah's grandsons had married and produced today's Humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived from Adam's world, Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE and brought Human intelligence to this Planet.

FYI, The sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (Adam's descendants) could produce children with each other. Gen 6:1-4

Since then, in LESS than 1% of the time since mankind diverged from Chimps, the descendants of Adam (Humans) have gone from Caves to the Moon and back safely, because Humans did NOT evolve from Apes. They came from Adam's world, which was totally destroyed in the Flood, no matter how many mortal scientists are "willingly ignorant" of this event. It's God's Truth. Are you willingly ignorant of God's Truth? God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
The evidence your pointing at supports evolution. We are aware how civilization came about and there is enough evidence for evolution that there is no need to resort to alien theories.
 

Aman777

Bible Believer
The evidence your pointing at supports evolution. We are aware how civilization came about and there is enough evidence for evolution that there is no need to resort to alien theories.

Dear idav, What alien theory? Adam's entire world was much smaller than our Earth. It had only 4 Rivers while our Earth has thousands. The highest mountains were covered with 22 1/2 feet (15 cubits) of water. Gen 7:20 Adam's entire world was contained in Lake Van, Turkey, which is but 75 miles wide. When it sunk in the 1500 ft deep Lake, it released the Ark into the Lake, in the mountains of Ararat, in our world. NO aliens nor Spaceships needed. Right?

What it shows is that Adam's world was "clean dissoved" in the Flood exactly as Isaiah 24:19 says, and it also shows HOW and WHEN Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived on this Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. The problem is with the traditional, religious, view. which was first told by ancient men, who lived thousands of years before Science. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
Dear idav, What alien theory? Adam's entire world was much smaller than our Earth. It had only 4 Rivers while our Earth has thousands. The highest mountains were covered with 22 1/2 feet (15 cubits) of water. Gen 7:20 Adam's entire world was contained in Lake Van, Turkey, which is but 75 miles wide. When it sunk in the 1500 ft deep Lake, it released the Ark into the Lake, in the mountains of Ararat, in our world. NO aliens nor Spaceships needed. Right?

What it shows is that Adam's world was "clean dissoved" in the Flood exactly as Isaiah 24:19 says, and it also shows HOW and WHEN Humans (descendants of Adam) arrived on this Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. The problem is with the traditional, religious, view. which was first told by ancient men, who lived thousands of years before Science. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman
What is the evidence adam was from an alien planet?
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Humans are animals, sure as shootin' they aint vegetables or minerals.

and if it goes no further than that....we will die like animals.

What?....you have no will to live?
or is the spirit within you already dead?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
and if it goes no further than that....we will die like animals.

There is certainly a lot of similarity between human death and animal death, don't you think?


What?....you have no will to live?
or is the spirit within you already dead?

I'm always puzzled by these questions from you. Do you think people choose to be mortal?
 
Top