Humans love better than God

[Morpheus]

I am only confused as to why you or anyone else would believe that God is the only reason you are able to love. Science lets us do that. Chemical reactions that living beings developed over time give us the ability to have the instinct of pro creation sex. God needs not be involved.

What if God is the architect of this chemistry and evolution, with science being the evidence of his Creation? Would that make more sense to you?
Hypothetically speaking of course!

 

[jacquie40]

God in my opinion is within, maybe this will answer your question maybe it will not.

 

[Morpheus]

God in my opinion is within, maybe this will answer your question maybe it will not.

O Son of Spirit-
I created thee rich, why dost thou bring thyself down to poverty?
Noble I made thee, wherewith dost thou abase thyself?
Out of the essence of knowledge I gave thee being, why seekest thou enlightenment from anyone besides me?
Out of the clay of love I moulded thee, how dost thou busy thyself with another?
Turn thy sight unto thyself that thou mayset find Me standing within thee, Mighty Powerful and Self Subsisting.
- The Hidden Words, from the Arabic (13)

 

[Where Is God]

What if God is the architect of this chemistry and evolution, with science being the evidence of his Creation? Would that make more sense to you?
Hypothetically speaking of course!

Or science has always been there, being that matter is never created or destroyed, which means it has always been there.

 

[Morpheus]

Or science has always been there, being that matter is never created or destroyed, which means it has always been there.

Ahh... you might wanna check what quantum physics has to say about matter before committing to that particular ideology.
Unless you are referring to 'energy' rather than matter. In which case, the energy, out of which the entire universe appears, has been likened to a singular consciousness. Sounds like a divine Creator to me. But I could be wrong - It has happened before!

 

[Where Is God]

Ahh... you might wanna check what quantum physics has to say about matter before committing to that particular ideology.
Unless you are referring to 'energy' rather than matter. In which case, the energy, out of which the entire universe appears, has been likened to a singular consciousness. Sounds like a divine Creator to me. But I could be wrong - It has happened before!

If there is no matter then how can there be energy?

 

[Morpheus]

If there is no matter then how can there be energy?

Because 'matter' occurs from energy. There is no matter without consciousness.
You know the old question? "If a tree falls in the forrest and there is no one there to hear it, did it really fall?" Not only did it not fall - there is no forrest!
This is quantum physics - not me. i.e. dont shoot the messenger.
But we are a little off topic here.

 

[Where Is God]

Because 'matter' occurs from energy. There is no matter without consciousness.
You know the old question? "If a tree falls in the forrest and there is no one there to hear it, did it really fall?" Not only did it not fall - there is no forrest!
This is quantum physics - not me. i.e. dont shoot the messenger.
But we are a little off topic here.

I have heard of the theory that everything changes when not observed, but the idea that a forest does not EXIST entirely when unobserved is lunacy.

 

[Morpheus]

I have heard of the theory that everything changes when not observed, but the idea that a forest does not EXIST entirely when unobserved is lunacy.

I think wisdom says "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..."
"Thats lunacy..." is said by something else.
A very interesting investigation of this was done about 10 years ago in a movie "what the bleep do we know". A study of science and spirit. I highly recommend this if you are open to having your perspectives widened.

 

[Where Is God]

I think wisdom says "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..."
"Thats lunacy..." is said by something else.
A very interesting investigation of this was done about 10 years ago in a movie "what the bleep do we know". A study of science and spirit. I highly recommend this if you are open to having your perspectives widened.

I don't believe in spirit.

I didn't go "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..."because you will hear some really stupid stuff completely made up and not based off any scientific fact on the internet. Just saying.

 

[Where Is God]

I think wisdom says "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..."
"Thats lunacy..." is said by something else.
A very interesting investigation of this was done about 10 years ago in a movie "what the bleep do we know". A study of science and spirit. I highly recommend this if you are open to having your perspectives widened.

There is no scientific reason to believe in spirit.

I did not reply "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..." because the internet is full of false theorys based of misconceptions about science. Not saying that that is one. I have never heard of it.

 

[Where Is God]

Ahh... you might wanna check what quantum physics has to say about matter before committing to that particular ideology.
Unless you are referring to 'energy' rather than matter. In which case, the energy, out of which the entire universe appears, has been likened to a singular consciousness. Sounds like a divine Creator to me. But I could be wrong - It has happened before!

I actually just did some research that actually backs up my statement. I found that everything that exists today has always existed.

Matter is never created because "Nothing comes from nothing."

So now that that argument is over we can get back on topic about love, and not matter/mass.

 

[Morpheus]

There is no scientific reason to believe in spirit.

I did not reply "wow... thats an intersting perspective, i've never heard of that... I wonder..." because the internet is full of false theorys based of misconceptions about science. Not saying that that is one. I have never heard of it.

"There is no scientific reason to believe in spirit" - is that fact or have you just yet to hear of one?
There is a growing poulation of physicists who see the possibility of science and spirit walking hand in hand and are following this evidence. Unfortunately there are forces in charge of the purse strings who do not want to see this proceed. Indeed Islam verifies this link, as does the Baha'i Faith. This should be moved to the science vs religion debate. So to return to topic... lets just agree that love - without condition - is what the planet needs right now. How we arrive at that is less important, and no, one does not have to have God to choose to act this way. We can be loving with or without God in our lives. It is just a choice.

 

[Riverwolf]

My heart is filled to the rim wiyh love as it should be. But what one if my main points of this thread is that humans should just love unconditionally. We don't need God for that.

No, but in my beliefs, it's one of the first steps on the path by which God is reached. :yes:

According to the Sages, God is not absolutely necessary, but makes it easier for many (and probably harder for others.)

 

[Riverwolf]

Or science has always been there

No, science is a method by which mankind observes and tries to understand the world. It didn't exist until a desire to understand popped up.

 

[Where Is God]

No, science is a method by which mankind observes and tries to understand the world. It didn't exist until a desire to understand popped up.

There is no possible way that you really thought that that is what I meant. Obviously 6th grade Science class has not always existed.

My point is that everything and every system we know and analyze with science like physics/matter/mass has always existed. Even if humans never existed and no conscience remained in the universe, physics would still be there. Apples would still fall to the Earth from trees.

 

[Wombat]

You never stand up against your Radicals, and that is why you are ALL bad fruit, spoiled, rotten, bad examples.

I sense a depth of meaning there.....but I'm missing it.

:help: Who are my "Radicals"?

(That I/"ALL" are "bad fruit, spoiled, rotten, bad examples" is self evident, beyond doubt or question )

 

[chinu]

Blood is a statistical and biologically demonstrateable assumption. how many souls do you have? had you had? how much does it weigh, what are the characteristics of its structure as opposed to "Hababaloo"?

When any docter makes a report, that how much blood is preasent inside the person's body, there is no need to take out total blood of the body to check the quantity,

Sample is enough.

_/\_
Chinu

 

[Luminous]

Or science has always been there, being that matter is never created or destroyed, which means it has always been there.

what does science mean?

 

[Luminous]

I sense a depth of meaning there.....but I'm missing it.

:help: Who are my "Radicals"?

(That I/"ALL" are "bad fruit, spoiled, rotten, bad examples" is self evident, beyond doubt or question )

All the anti-agnostics who lack the understanding and backbone needed to confess agnosticism. Your allowing them to continue to be wrong, sets a bad example. I have always thought the religion of glory was the worst enemy for the spread of agnostic understanding and therefore true science...we shall see In the future as i suspect the Bahai fiath shall grow as all religions must, each being exchangeable for the other...most whoring themselves to any culture. I personally have not had the chance to meet a perfect Bahai, though i've met none at all, but would assume that perfection would gain glory all-around in our modern scientific technological age.