McBell
Unbound
Since I do not make the claim there is no god....
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*[I believe] Atheism is an absurd worldview
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No, I'm displaying my "lack of faith" in mysticism because I haven't found any reason to have any "faith" in it. But if you can show me any "mysticism" I can engage in and which is beneficial for my well-being and day-to-day existence I'll happily consider it.
outhouse
Atheistically
By the amount of mythology used to create your god.
Your god is a compilation of two Canaanite gods El and Yahweh. Later that definition was changed to add a "son of god" which the people who wrote the NT were worshipping the Emperor as son of god a year before.
Then islam changed the definition of god yet again after plagiarizing previous traditions the same as all religions had done.
Israelites redefined their god based on Canaanite mythology.
Christians redefined their god based on Judaism and the martyrdom of a Galilean
islam redefined their god based on all previous traditions.
There is nothing to observe and nothing to report on so your personal god does not exist outside mythology and faith. No gods exist scientifically.
Faith in a god largely depends on the geographic location you were born, not based on reason and logic. Most are indoctrinated by parents and no choice offered.
Atheists don't claim there is no God, they don't believe in GODS. Plural. You don't believe in gods either, except one. How do you substantiate that all the gods you don't believe in don't exist?
outhouse
Atheistically
Speak for yourself, many do and can with credibility. Just because many refuse this knowledge is non sequitur to the reality of mythology.
ATHEISTS don't claim gods don't exist. STRONG ATHEISTS do.
outhouse
Atheistically
That's a vague interpretation of Anthony Flews description.
By your own definition that makes you a strong atheist, because you do not believe the god of other religions exist.
They are still atheist and a sub category is not required.
OutOfTheDarkness
Member
Yes. Like Jesus, who has usurped Yahweh's power, as the non-believers follow that golden calf.
Throughout the Old Testament, when Yahweh's most staunch believers have called to him, he came.
Jesus himself recognized this when, shortly before his death, he cried out to God "Why have you forsaken me?"
As an impartial observer, the Orthodox Jews have it correct and the New Testament believers have let themselves be led astray. It is the ultimate test, and quite clever. You have two conflicting chapters in the same book... and those who truly believe Yahweh is the one true God haven't been fooled.
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OutOfTheDarkness
Member
We may not have free will and be completely governed by physics that is 100% predictable. We simply aren't at a stage of brain development to consider the vast number of variables.
It doesn't mean you have to wear religious headgear.
OutOfTheDarkness
Member
Once brainwashed to ignore reality, and to rely on an imaginary friend, it's really just a matter of which imaginary friend you like better.
Conversion, means nothing.
OutOfTheDarkness
Member
Like those who ignore the Old Testament as God's final word.
Notice how God himself never comes down at all in the New Testament like he did in the old?
Apparently he interfered enough for a virgin birth, so it's a bit of a stretch that this jealous, powerful god would give away his worshippers to some guy. It's like demanding everyone follow Moses, rather than the 10 Commandments.
OutOfTheDarkness
Member
Again. Orthodox Jews render your sugar coating, to sugar coating.
You have one view, and are rearranging reality to suit your view.
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OutOfTheDarkness
Member
So God has intervened in the world after the death of Jesus?
I am a (weak) atheist. I don't believe in the existence of any gods, but given that the universe is enormous and there may be an infinite amount of universes I wouldn't go as far as to say I believe gods don't exist because the universes could have evolved countless "gods" and be crawling with them.
What a dream scenario for an atheist. Every time some atheist does something horrible we can just quote the Bible and prove that God was behind it and that it was His will.
mindlight
See in the dark
Ok so first set of arguments boils down to comparative religious readings. At the end of the day your arguments are contradicted by experts who would contend you have misread the key information and misunderstood the connections and also that your theory is ultimately based on your own reasoned but subjective opinion.
So nothing that qualifies as objective proof so far.
No no proofs can be offered for or against the existence of gods or God by the scientific method and especially if ones prior naturalistic assumptions have ruled out that possibility.
So again no proof is offered here.
Yet I know Christians from Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan and I know Muslims from Germany and Britain. So pardon my French but........,
mindlight
See in the dark
Well I have an infallible, infinite, eternal and perfect reference point that actually grants me the authority to speak about an objective reality that no one finite, imperfect and mortal man could ever hope to articulate. God Himself is my authority and you can check whether or not I represent Him by reading the scriptures for yourself and you can know whether I speak the truth by whether you share in His Spirit. Many of the Eastern gods are quite simply just not in His league and they have no historical credibility.
The real contest is between Jews, Hindus, Muslims and Christians who understand the essential oneness of a supreme Deity above all others. Then there are various tests one could apply.
Judaism is not credible cause Jesus met the prophetic requirements of their Messiah and yet they rejected Him.
The Hindus are not credible cause their own version of Jesus was a late arrival and not as satisfying and because they believe in too many gods that are clearly non Historical and disappointing. Also because at the deepest level of contemplation they have still not settled the issue of whether God is One or many.
The Muslims are not credible because they have only one witness to the inspiration of the Quran who was an imperfect, culture bound Arab who made no real prophecies and fulfilled none and who performed no real miracles and who died. His words contradict those of the scriptures he affirmed or borrow from them and change their meaning. There are errors in the Quran.
Only the Christian God survives the tests and has demonstrated himself miraculously and materially in history and continues to do so through his church.
outhouse
Atheistically
They are not contradicted. It is known knowledge. Not one word I stated was misunderstood or contradicted. AND IT factually has nothing to do with my personal opinion.
Its why you have no credible links or sources backing up anything you state. Because your just wrong
Yes.
You have no proofs or evidence. I don't have to prove anything even though I can. The burden of proof is on you to substantiate your claims
Your god is a compilation of two Canaanite gods El and Yahweh. Later that definition was changed to add a "son of god" which the people who wrote the NT were worshipping the Emperor as son of god a year before.
Then islam changed the definition of god yet again after plagiarizing previous traditions the same as all religions had done.
Israelites redefined their god based on Canaanite mythology.
Christians redefined their god based on Judaism and the martyrdom of a Galilean
islam redefined their god based on all previous traditions.
There is nothing to observe and nothing to report on so your personal god does not exist outside mythology and faith.
None of this is up for debate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah
Iron Age Yahwism
The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[71][72] With the emergence of the monarchy at the beginning of Iron Age II the kings promoted their family god, Yahweh, as the god of the kingdom, but beyond the royal court, religion continued to be both polytheistic and family-centered.[73] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[74] At an early stage El and Yahweh became fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult,[74] although she continued to be popular at a community level until Persian times.[75]