I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.

[sojourner]

So, in essence, god is tossing a steak to a dog even though he knows the dog will eat the steak, and he did this even though he doesn't want the stake to be eaten. And although god will punish the dog for eating the stake that he knows will be eaten, he doesn't want the dog to be punished for doing something that god didn't want to happen, but he is still going to punish the dog anyways for doing what god knew would happen and that god made possible to happen anyways by tossing the steak in front of the dog, knowing full well it would be eaten.
But when the dog eats the steak, if it ask for forgiveness over doing what god set up and allowed for in the first place, all is forgiven.
It sounds to me like god should take some of the blame himself. After all, if he knows it is going to happen, he knows our design is flawed, and he let us go on anyways.
If a car company knowingly releases a model of car they know has a design flaw, do you blame the drivers who are in incidents that happened because of the flawed design, or do you blame the car company for releasing the product?

I'd be put to death just because my parents were lousy parents. My mom mocked me as my body was changing during puberty, she yelled at me once and told me she could replace me, and she kept threatening to send me away to a "troubled" kids home. My dad was hardly ever around and he left one night. Parents should not be honored just for being parents, and many parents do in fact deserve the scorn of their child.

I don't think God punishes dogs for being dogs. I don't think God punishes humans for being humans. But we certainly punish ourselves by continuing to do dumb stuff...

 

[sojourner]

I think forgiveness, even when others don't deserve it brings freedom from the past and for the future.

You're partly right, but partly wrong. Forgiveness isn't about "deserving." Forgiveness is about grace, which is patently undeserved. I hate the term, "I forgive you." It's as if we're doing something to the transgressor. But forgiveness is more about the victim than it is about the perpetrator. Perhaps, "I stand in forgiveness" would be a better phrase.

 

[sojourner]

My version of Adam and Eve are just as believable as the ones on this website Who is Jesus Christ? Who is Jesus Christ?


In fact after reading some of the explanations on this site I believe it reinforces the fact that both had only been alive for a day or two, basically uneducated and therefore would have been confused. How they could converse is a mystery, but I guess God could read the minds and enabled them to understand his language. It obviously appears that eve must have been young, naive and trusting, consequently it is more than likely she was conned by a wise snake rather than deciding to sin against God, just as we can be today by clever talking con men and American TV evangelists. This may have been an injustice but this is what happens if you do not have a system of law and use a jury.


If a talking snake and creating a woman from a rib is not enough to convince you this is true, the other details on this site such as did Adam and Eve have belly buttons, legends that Adam had a wife before Eve who was named Lilith, and Adam and Eve were created in approximately 4000 B.C and were the first humans on earth and primitive cavemen did not exist but dinosaurs probably lived with humans are really going to seal it for you.

You need to get an exegetical grip. You're bothering the story and missing the point of it entirely.

 

[viole]

How so? God is as varied as the people who who perceive God.

Yes, right. This is exactly what we should expect if we assume that people make up God.

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

Yes, right. This is exactly what we should expect if we assume that people make up God.

Ciao

- viole

How does this support your point that God is not interactive?

 

[viole]

How does this support your point that God is not interactive?

Because it is vastly more likely that He does not interact, rather than postulating that He interacts with people depending on where they live.

I mean, a God with the head of an elephant is pretty different from Jesus. Not to speak of a God that says we are all equal vs. a God that says that humans must be divided in castes. So, maybe He interacts but the communication channel is pretty unreliable

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

Because it is vastly more likely that He does not interact, rather than postulating that He interacts with people depending on where they live.

Why is that "vastly more likely?"

 

[sojourner]

I mean, a God with the head of an elephant is pretty different from Jesus.

Indian culture is vastly different from the culture of western Europe.

 

[viole]

Indian culture is vastly different from the culture of western Europe.

And? Is that important for an interacting God?

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

And? Is that important for an interacting God?

Ciao

- viole

Yes, because God works within the context of humanity.

 

[viole]

Yes, because God works within the context of humanity.

So, He says to Christians that all humans are equal and to Hindus that this is not the case?

If we take into account that all humans come from the same place, was He sleeping when this divergence of beliefs took place?

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

So, He says to Christians that all humans are equal and to Hindus that this is not the case?

If we take into account that all humans come from the same place, was He sleeping when this divergence of beliefs took place?

Ciao

- viole

What God imparts is neither perceived nor understood by everyone in the same way, because revelation depends as much on the receiver as the the transmitter.

 

[viole]

What God imparts is neither perceived nor understood by everyone in the same way, because revelation depends as much on the receiver as the the transmitter.

The problem of course is that receivers agreeing among themselves tend to collect in clumps. Why is that?

Ciao

- viole

 

[sojourner]

The problem of course is that receivers agreeing among themselves tend to collect in clumps. Why is that?

Ciao

- viole

How else is community to be built?

 

[Johnlove]

But the Crusades were, somehow, different...

No it was Satan who led the Church into killing in the Crusades.

 

[Unification]

No it was Satan who led the Church into killing in the Crusades.

Mankind's ego does and creates a lot of havoc, especially when done collectively. So deceived that they think they are doing the proper thing, and yet here are the same forms of doctrine and theology held onto by the very same murderous and idolatrous "church" being instilled into the dendrites in brains of the brainwashed thousands of years later, only this time, branched out into thousands of denominations and thousands of vain buildings and billions of minds.

 

[Unification]

So you think I should forgive my grandfather for having raped me countless times? No. I don't think so. Move beyond the trauma, yes. Beyond an advocate for other survivors, you betcha. But forgive a lecherous creep? No. Do you think I should have forgiven the man who dumped his comatose wife at the ER with mold growing on bedsores that went beyond the bone or should I have reported his pathetic arse and sent the SOB to jail? I could recount this kind of story ad nauseum but I won't because they make me weep to this day. Forgive this type of person or crime? Never.

Yes. Forgive. Let go. Release.

Are you strong enough to forgive or you just don't want to?

 

[Yoshua]

I believe the people who fostered the Reformation, brought a teaching from Satan, and made people believe it was from God.


Those people made people believe that it took God almost sixteen hundred years to bring people the true Gospel.


All those people did was to misunderstand Paul’s writings. The writings that are very plain and tell people that if they sin they will never go to Heaven, are discounted as if they are speaking to others, not those who believe what the Reformers said.


Yes I believe those people were brain washed by the devil.


(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”


(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”

Hi John,

The true gospel was still intact since Paul's time (before and after). I don't think Satan brainwashed Christians like the Reformers to see the truth, it's the other way around. The truth is they (Reformers) have seen the truth of the gospel about salvation and the practices that is not in accordance with the Scriptures done by Roman Catholicism.

How could Satan brainwash the Christians if they followed the commandment of God (below) that you shall not make for yourself an idol?

Exodus 20:4-5
4. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5. "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

Another example here is there is no purgatory as means for remission of our souls. The Scripture is still the standard and not the made-made doctrines.
26. The pope does well when he grants remission to souls [in purgatory], not by the power of the keys (which he does not possess), but by way of intercession.
27. They preach man who say that so soon as the penny jingles into the money-box, the soul flies out [of purgatory].
28. It is certain that when the penny jingles into the money-box, gain and avarice can be increased, but the result of the intercession of the Church is in the power of God alone. (from 95 theses)

Thanks

 

[Muffled]

Show me such a person, and I will show you a liar.

i beleive I do not sin when The Holy Spirit is in me to keep me from sinning. I have given Him permission to take away all my sin. If He has not done so that is because He is Lord and knows best. I believe it is a question of will. God not only wants to keep me from sinning but He wants me to take power over sin in my life and bring my will into harmony with His. He can definitely take away my sin even though I want it but the problem of my wanting it still remains so allowing me to struggle to bring my will into harmony with His works better in the long run.

 

[sojourner]

The Scripture is still the standard and not the made-made doctrines.

The scripture is part of the "man-made doctrines."

How could Satan brainwash the Christians if they followed the commandment of God (below) that you shall not make for yourself an idol?

Exodus 20:4-5
4. "You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5. "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,

What does this have to do with Roman Catholicism?