Mostly, as I am naught without those to offer.
With those platitudes, we'll, they are invincible.
Regards Tony
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Mostly, as I am naught without those to offer.
With those platitudes, we'll, they are invincible.
Regards Tony
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You think Taiwan is the only factor in the war China will start? It isn't.
China is in dispute with Japan over islands and resources. China demands ownership of those islands and the entire South China Sea which is now international waters.
China wants those trade routes to be under Chinese control so they can demand payment for passage with the right to deny passage to whatever country they want restricted.
The United Nations Conference on Trade and Development estimates 60 percent of maritime trade passes through Asia, with the South China Sea carrying an estimated one-third of global shipping.
Its waters are particularly critical for China, Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea, all of which rely on the Strait of Malacca, which connects the South China Sea and, by extension, the Pacific Ocean with the Indian Ocean. As the second-largest economy in the world with over 60 percent of its trade in value traveling by sea, China’s economic security is closely tied to the South China Sea. Also because of their large population and fear of future famine China wants control of all fishing rights in the South China Sea which would restrict island nations to catch limits that may not be enough to support their country.
It's claimed that $5.3 trillion worth of goods transits through the South China Sea annually.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
..so what?
The reason why you will not wear any other shirt is because you don't choose to.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Men state that by humans greed men want to own and not share is man's problems.
If food was grown where it can be anywhere... in trade it as important as sewing clothes. In life. If value about trade is changed.
Father taught me the stupidity of our bully brothers mind inception gained by falling star gas burn heated water biology change.
Why men taught Satan star fall.caused our brothers human life to change its spirituality.
Trade was mutual. One group always had something different to trade.
It was mutually important without war murder hatred destruction. Ownership when a human is equal to any human.
Hierarchy is meant to be governed by grand parents elders. Not some rich liar.
Father said O earth owns all rocks. Why do you think a rock is valuable?
It began by science using numbers to store power charge in crystal jewels.
The only reason.
As humans were trained to believe the price of earths owned products. By brothers who began enforced trade based on greedy strategies.
Fake.
AI the warning artificial choices.... as many fake terms of humans expression. Contradictory to planetary all life support.
If our brother refuses to learn and adapt we all know it will end all life on earth. We know human warnings about human behaviours is real.
Tiberius
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No, if God knows I will wear the blue shirt, I am INCAPABLE of choosing anything else. My actions are set in stone, I can not alter them. I have no free will.
Trailblazer
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Trailblazer
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That is correct, you will wear the blue shirt if God knows you will wear re blue shirt, but if you had CHOSEN to wear the red shirt, God would have known that you were going to choose the red shirt.
The color shirt you choose is determined by YOU, because you CHOOSE that shirt.
God has always known what color shirt that will be because God is all-knowing.
What you apparently do not understand is that what God knows is not set in stone, it changes according to what you CHOOSE to do.
God knows the past present and future all at once because God does not exist in time so God is not constrained by time as we are since we live in a world where time exists.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
God he says as man theist of status science.
Is outside of space time. Star rock fused as cold slow moving or even frozen. As light gas burning is time.
God says a man thinking direct to his scientific theist memory abstract to natural origin just a human man.
Was my science thesis.
The sun in the past he says caused without my presence a state. It records image sound hence voice also.
Yet voice wasn't recorded until I spoke myself.
So before I exist is the state that recorded image so image sits out beyond natural form by causes knowing advice before I do.
Varying gas star masses. Records. Coloured gases he says knows all things.
Okay scientist theist just a man human.
You were born naked. Exact.
Humans owned naked bodies first.
Your shirt thesis fake.
His argument Jesus father owned coat of many colours. Cooled gases.
No he says highest gas is clear. Immaculate.
I can't thesis Jesus he says. As gods spirit in heavens was Jesus father not Joseph.
I can he says God gave man baby Jesus in a woman human womb.
The title human the baby is equal to any baby as a baby.
No I want to argue non science. Against science intelligence
Oh you mean medical science not occult science?
Yes I'm wrong. Medical science said gods immaculate clear mass had space stretched cooled.
By causes it allowed pressure water oxygen changes to heal holding O cell ovary ovah. A teaching only.seeing it was stated about a human woman.
Oh but I self idolise my baby man so I self idolise my human mother too?
Yes.
You said the science father theist of God has caused it. So factually you didn't include him in thoughts as you were angry at life's human sacrifice.
Theist book writers.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Angry people make angry atheists, Christians, Buddhists, etc. Happy people make happy atheists, Christians, Buddhists, etc. I know many atheists and they seem like normal people.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
Proverbs 6:16-18: There are six things Yahweh hates, and seven things are abominations of his soul. Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood, a devising heart, plans of deception, feet that hurry to run to evil.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Rubbish.
What comes first, your statement that G-d knows what you will choose, or your "incapability" to choose?
It is foolish to think that your argument is valid. It is pure trickery.
You are able to choose whatever you like. You are not forced to choose anything.
Your ability to choose is not affected. If this, or if that are conditionals. Foolish games.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Silly isn't it.Oh no! Not the red shirts and the blue shirts again!
He can choose whatever shirt he likes.
By saying "if G-d knows I will wear a red shirt", then it follows that you will choose it because you want to .. not because you are forced to.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
Oh no! Not the red shirts and the blue shirts again!
I'll use them as often as needed in order to demonstrate the logic of my position.
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
And once again, I will point out to you the massive flaw in your idea.
On Monday, God knows what shirt I will wear on Friday.
I do not decide what shirt I will wear on Friday until Thursday evening when I get my clothes ready for the next day.
So somehow, God knows what my choice is BEFORE I make it!
How does this work?
God on Monday: "Yeah, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Tuesday: "Yeah, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Wednesday: "Yeah, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Thursday: "Yeah, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
Tiberius: *Decides to wear the red shirt with his pesky free will.*
God on Friday: "What are you talking about? I always knew that Tibs was going to wear the RED shirt. That's what I said every day. I never said he'd wear the blue shirt."
Tiberius
Well-Known Member
They both come at the same time. IF God knows the future with 100% accuracy, then I am incapable of choosing anything other than what he knows I will do.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
There is no logic to your position.
Since me and @muhammad_isa know what it means for God to be omniscient we have a leg up.
Since you do not know anything about what it means for God to be omniscient, you are flying blind.
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Trailblazer
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You will choose what God knows you will choose but what God knows is not what causes you to choose what you choose. What causes you to choose it is your free ill to choose.
What God knows is not SET IN STONE. What God knows is according to what you choose to do.
If you were planning to wear the red shirt for weeks and then at the last minute you change your mind and decide to wear the blue shirt, God will have known throughout all eternity that you were going to change your mind and decide to wear the blue shirt.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
And once again, I will point out to you the flaw in your idea.
Throughout all of eternity, God has known what shirt you will wear on Friday.
You do not decide what shirt you will wear on Friday until Thursday evening when you get your clothes ready for the next day.
Throughout all of eternity, God has known what your choice would be BEFORE you make it!
How does this work?
Scenario #1: Tibs wears the red shirt:
God on Monday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the red shirt on Friday."
God on Tuesday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the red shirt on Friday."
God on Wednesday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the red shirt on Friday."
God on Thursday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the red shirt on Friday."
Tiberius: *Decides to wear the red shirt with his pesky free will.*
God on Friday: "I always knew throughout all of eternity that Tibs was going to wear the RED shirt. That's what I said every day. I never said he'd wear the blue shirt."
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Scenario #1: Tibs wears the blue shirt:
God on Monday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Tuesday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Wednesday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
God on Thursday: "Yeah, I have known throughout all of eternity that Tibs is going to wear the blue shirt on Friday."
Tiberius: *Decides to wear the blue shirt with his pesky free will.*
God on Friday: "I always knew throughout all of eternity that Tibs was going to wear the BLUE shirt. That's what I said every day. I never said he'd wear the red shirt."
CG Didymus
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Yes, in one Christian interpretation, but I don't think in the Baha'i "new world order" natural disasters are going to disappear. So, who will they blame when a disaster strikes then? I say it's the creator. He could have made more stable materials to make the Earth.
It doesn't explain those thing nowadays but to a goat farmer 5,000 years ago I'm sure some all powerful being was the most likely answer. You asked why I thought god was a man made concept, that's what I was answering.
There are many things that religion does not explain. Scriptures say that we have an afterlife but God leaves us hanging out to dry not knowing anything about that afterlife.
“As to those that have tasted of the fruit of man’s earthly existence, which is the recognition of the one true God, exalted be His glory, their life hereafter is such as We are unable to describe. The knowledge thereof is with God, alone, the Lord of all worlds.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 345-346
So we religious people are supposed to worship a God and sacrifice our time for a God that cannot even be more specific than that? I know the reasons we are not told more but still, I cannot look forward to an afterlife I know nothing about, and it is not as if there is a return ticket.
It's a mystery to me why anyone believes it. Not that I claim any special knowledge that makes my position any more valid than yours.