I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the Lord, do all these things

[ppp]

I will not answer that yes or no because it is trickery, as @muhammad_isa said.
I did not realize that it was trickery until I thought about it some more, but now I know.
It is an attempt at deception so you can feel that you have won and I will have no part of it.

You are wrong. God is omniscient and we have free will. Your trickery will never change that.

What's the trick?

 

[ppp]

If it is not about want then give me another reason why God 'should' communicate directly to people. If you cannot give me another reason that will mean there is no other reason.

You are misrepresenting people. I would think that simple honesty should be enough to get you to stop whether I have another reason or not.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It takes a special kind of logic to say in one breath, "God knows what you will choose, so you can't choose anything else," to saying in the next breath, "You are still completely free to choose."

That's just more word play.

"You have to choose what G-d knows" is designed to be deceitful, in that it implies that you are forced to choose something when you are not. It's all a silly game.

We have free-will. Legal systems all over the world acknowledge that.
If you think that it is not possible for G-d to know what we will choose, then that is the issue .. nothing to do with loss of choice .. the so-called paradox relies on deception.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It's a simple point of logic..

It is not. The whole deception revolves around false logic.

 

[Wildswanderer]

He does not because He does not want to.
If He did there would be no atheists.

We don't have to listen.

 

[ppp]

That's just more word play.

When people engage in word play, I can identify the specific fallacious text. You are not doing being more than vague. You are simply declaring it wordplay so as not to deal with the perfectly ratiyon position that you have been presented with.

 

[muhammad_isa]

When people engage in word play, I can identify the specific fallacious text. You are not doing being more than vague. You are simply declaring it wordplay so as not to deal with the perfectly ratiyon position that you have been presented with.

That is a false accusation.
I do not just repeat assertions. I can show you exactly where your errors in logic are .. but you turn away from truth.

You invent a scenario where wanting to choose something is only an illusion .. obvious nonsense.
Either we want to choose something, or we don't.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is not trickery. It's a simple point of logic that stops you from having your cake and eating it too, despite your insistence that you can.

I have shown how God can be omniscient while we have free will.
You did not even try to understand my pov because you are so sure you are right.

I can have my cake and eat it to and I demonstrated how. You ignored everything I posted to you, you did not even respond to it with a counter argument. Instead you came back again with the same argument and a trick question. You cannot refute what I said using logic so you keep coming back with the same old mantra.

The salient problem is that you don't know anything about God or how God functions, so you cannot possibly understand what it means for God to be omniscient.

 

[ppp]

I can show you exactly where your errors in logic are .

Ok but can you do so without poisoning the well?

but you turn away from truth.

You really cannot.

 

[Trailblazer]

What's the point of the script?

It's not for us: I've never seen it, I bet you haven't seen it either, and in any case, we'd do whatever we do with or without it.

That's true. It is not for us to see and we have never seen it. Only God has seen it since He wrote it.

The script is the Book of Life also known as the Tablet of Fate. Most people would not want to see it because they would not want to know what lies ahead, but Baha'u'llah assured His followers that there would be nothing to worry about, no matter what fate befell them in this ephemeral world.

“O thou who art the fruit of My Tree and the leaf thereof! On thee be My glory and My mercy. Let not thine heart grieve over what hath befallen thee. Wert thou to scan the pages of the Book of Life, thou wouldst, most certainly, discover that which would dissipate thy sorrows and dissolve thine anguish.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 132-133

It's not for God, since he knew what we would do even if it didn't exist. The existence of the script doesn't lock it in, since it was locked in the instant God knew what we'd do, and that was before the script.

That's true too. It was locked in the instant God knew what we'd do, long before we acted out the script.

 

[rational experiences]

The human life is owned by parent hu man sex. Their choice.

The baby human never owned a choice.

Pretty basic you weren't given any will of freedom.

A human baby conscious memories are single only. We are however changed by pre adult advice.

Just human.

Just humans are the creator have been for a long time says our memory using a number inferred reason. Thousands 1000 of years.

Humans.

The topic human. By humans. About humans. For humans.

So a Baha'i says the truth. A lot of Jesus reasons I don't believe.

A lot of human babies born by human sex since the teaching.

Human inherits life as a sex conceived baby. Gets adult man life body consciousness changed.

Information straight away says Jesus was a human experience only.

So you know you don't have to believe in previous false preaching as science of human life belief is the false preaching.

Has the advice false is science choice yet sunk into the thinkers just a human mind yet?

Human real. Story preached coerced involved scientist human theists. Science direct to their machine practice only.

Tried to convince humans a human machine science thesis invented life.

When a human to be a human was living in and with an alight voided gas burning atmosphere. Immaculate balanced as. Human first.

As the quote is life of a human on planet earth. Standing walking on earth.

As a human born. Lots of human given titles to humans only born as babies still exists as a human choice and practice today.

By behaviour. By human speaking is the title bestowed.

As a spiritual human I knew it self idolisation as a practice. As holy men in orders were still mistreating women as secondary servants.

So it was easy to read advice and not agree to its pre teachings as very evil human minds had taken control of life's hierarchy in the dark ages of behaviour.

 

[Trailblazer]

What's the trick?

You miss the point.

On Monday, God comes to you and says, "Hey, TrailBlazer, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the RED shirt on Friday."

Is there ANY POSSIBLE WAY I would be able to choose to wear the BLUE shirt instead?

YES or NO please.

@Tiberius wanted to trick me into answering NO so he could prove he was right in his assertion that he has no free will to choose (to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt) if God is omniscient.

However, what flies completely over his head is that he could have chosen to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt on Friday, and in that case God WOULD HAVE KNOWN on Thursday that he was going to choose to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday.

Sadly, there is only one atheist I know who could ever understand this. I sure wish I had kept his name.

 

[Trailblazer]

You are misrepresenting people. I would think that simple honesty should be enough to get you to stop whether I have another reason or not.

You continue to deflect....
If there is another reason why can't you tell me what it is?
Is it a secret?

 

[rational experiences]

@Tiberius wanted to trick me into answering NO so he could prove he was right in his assertion that he has no free will to choose (to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt) if God is omniscient.

However, what flies completely over his head is that he could have chosen to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt on Friday, and in that case God WOULD HAVE KNOWN on Thursday that he was going to choose to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday.

Sadly, there is only one atheist I know who could ever understand this. I sure wish I had kept his name.

You know science is fake itself don't you.

As you don't own nor are a sun a space body a star gas or particles or earth mass or its heavens you're just a Human and the proof is you die!!!

 

[Trailblazer]

You are simply declaring it wordplay so as not to deal with the perfectly rational position that you have been presented with.

There is NOTHING rational about the position that was presented.

 

[rational experiences]

You continue to deflect....
If there is another reason why can't you tell me what it is?
Is it a secret?

Secret.

A human man lives.

A human man as the human claim dominion names all things by human expressed language words.

He names space himself. I give the name to nothing is space.

He then described space owns secrets.

Said all word meanings in his own man's mind.

Term secret in fact meant he did not understand nothing. Had owned no concepts. So as he is an egotists instead of saying I don't know said it was spaces secret

Today the same egotist says now I'm more intelligent than before I'll tell you what space nothing is.

It's still just a hole as it always was missing from its term what once it wasn't ....presence.

 

[ppp]

@Tiberius wanted to trick me into answering NO so he could prove he was right in his assertion that he has no free will to choose (to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt) if God is omniscient.

How is that a trick? All of his cards were on the table and there was no hidden trap. He laid out his syllogism (not "assertion") plain as day for everyone to examine.

However, what flies completely over his head is that he could have chosen to wear the BLUE shirt instead of the RED shirt on Friday, and in that case God WOULD HAVE KNOWN on Thursday that he was going to choose to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday.

That didn't fly over his head. If God said on Monday, "Hey, TrailBlazer, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the RED shirt on Friday," and then for Tibs to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday, then God would have been wrong on Monday.

 

[ppp]

There is NOTHING rational about the position that was presented.

When you can demonstrate that, I will consider what you say.

 

[rational experiences]

There is NOTHING rational about the position that was presented.

A man. Builds a non existing machine. Then pretends machine is the earth.

Yet all earth seals are minerals he attacks changes.

So his machine isn't earth isn't God's seals. First lying artificial position by mind interactions.

Consciousness.

All day long he uses machines. Controls machines. Machines do what he says. Life is non stop recorded. How man interacting relationship with machine.

How a brain his mind his image in life direct to machine. Begins to think by conscious only mind control that he is now Ai.

Yet the machine does no action as AI by itself.

Total theism Invent a fake creator humans of possession by thoughts only speaking on behalf of all machine components every day he says as my own self already.

Then proposes a new thesis about mind and machine working together. Stephen Hawking scientists body life warning travelled back in time to mutated Moses hu man outcome. Proof.

AI said I will teach you female how to be a scientist. I heard it say it.

I was psyche attacked began hearing by man's satellite data computer science answers that were not there before. They were family answers before.

I'm telling the truth. No rich man Inventor uses hu man truth anymore.

You were quite prepared to change us into machine bio bodies like Hawking had. But worse. As his life was saved.

Still communicating biological to the machine in the position man scientist owns in reality.

 

[Trailblazer]

That didn't fly over his head. If God said on Monday, "Hey, TrailBlazer, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the RED shirt on Friday," and then for Tibs to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday, then God would have been wrong on Monday.

It has flown completely over his head.

If Tibs had worn the BLUE shirt on Friday, God would have said on Monday that Tibs was going to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday.

God said on Monday, "Hey, TrailBlazer, I know for a fact that Tibs is going to wear the RED shirt on Friday," ........

but if Tibs was going to wear the BLUE shirt on Friday God would never have said that Tibs was going to wear the RED shirt on Friday and that is where the trickery enters in.