I Can Not Respect A God who Allows Children to Suffer

[LyricalDutchess]

Ahh, but who get's to decide what is 'wrong' and what is 'right' if not ourselves?

I believe the bible is our outline. YES! I know that others disagree.........hence even furthering my explaination.

 

[MSizer]

Thing is, none are good but the Father. Least not in the true sense of the word. Now there are good people when it comes to our standards of good. Many. But i can say you are going to hell because you dont believe in God. Whereas i can teach what the word of God says, i have no authority on whos going to heaven and whos not. Thats why God judges the heart. Because we as humans only tend to see the outside.

Yes, I've heard that many times. It makes no sense to me at all.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

Yes, I've heard that many times. It makes no sense to me at all.

As i said in a previous thread, a lot of things concerning my faith makes no sense to many. LOL

 

[Smoke]

We're going in circles. We convince ourselves because we try and justify our wrongs. The reason as to way is individually based.

Okay. But you're refusing to get down to the heart of the matter. All the details about knowing and viewing, and convincing ourselves, and all that, that's just detail. At the core of the problem is that we are inclined to choose to sin. Why did God make us that way? And if God didn't make us that way, why did he make the world in such a way that we would get to be that way?

The subject on accepting Christ not being scriptural is a WHOLE nother topic. LOL But its very much scriptural.

It's not at all scriptural, but I agree, we can argue about that another time.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

Okay. But you're refusing to get down to the heart of the matter. All the details about knowing and viewing, and convincing ourselves, and all that, that's just detail. At the core of the problem is that we are inclined to choose to sin. Why did God make us that way? And if God didn't make us that way, why did he make the world in such a way that we would get to be that way?


It's not at all scriptural, but I agree, we can argue about that another time.

I did. Its a combinations of matter. Has nothing to do with how God made us. LOL

And you've given me a bible study subject. haha Gave me homework. First thing comes to mind, the woman at the well.

 

[Smoke]

I did. Its a combinations of matter. Has nothing to do with how God made us.

It may be combinations of things, but all those combinations of things go back to our human nature, and it seems nobody can answer the question of why God made human nature as he did, yet blames us for it.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

It may be combinations of things, but all those combinations of things go back to our human nature, and it seems nobody can answer the question of why God made human nature as he did, yet blames us for it.

God made Adam and Ever perfect beings with the right to choose. Sin entered into the world and He's allowing it to run its course. Again. Our choices all come down to us. Not God.

 

[MSizer]

God made Adam and Ever perfect beings with the right to choose. Sin entered into the world and He's allowing it to run its course. Again. Our choices all come down to us. Not God.

That's like saying "I only built the bomb, I didn't destroy the living creatures nearby, the explosion did, so don't blame me."

 

[Smoke]

God made Adam and Ever perfect beings with the right to choose.

They couldn't have been perfect beings if they chose wrong the first chance they got.

Sin entered into the world and He's allowing it to run its course. Again. Our choices all come down to us. Not God.

So God had nothing to do with creating us? He didn't make us as we are, and he didn't make Adam and Eve as they were, either?

 

[LyricalDutchess]

That's like saying "I only built the bomb, I didn't destroy the living creatures nearby, the explosion did, so don't blame me."

Again. With many, God is damned if He do, damned if He dont. LOL

 

[LyricalDutchess]

They couldn't have been perfect beings if they chose wrong the first chance they got.


So God had nothing to do with creating us? He didn't make us as we are, and he didn't make Adam and Eve as they were, either?

Ehhhh......id be saying the exact same thing i have been for the last 30 minutes. Time to agree to disagree. Going in circles is fruitless.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

You guys are pretty cool atheists though. LOL

Smoke, i'll be posting up a topic about the accepting Christ here soon.So be looking out man.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

It may be combinations of things, but all those combinations of things go back to our human nature, and it seems nobody can answer the question of why God made human nature as he did, yet blames us for it.

I was hinting at it, but here it is in more detail. Only humans were made in the image of god. As such he doesn't blame us but rather setup a scenario with which he can be our saviour. Which required us to sin and need a saviour. Why would he do this? Love I guess

 

[Smoke]

Ehhhh......id be saying the exact same thing i have been for the last 30 minutes. Time to agree to disagree. Going in circles is fruitless.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying you've failed to explain your position. Itwillend has explained his position, and I disagree with him. (Except he hasn't explained why Jesus needed to come, but that's kind of moving on to another topic anyway.) But you aren't saying anything of substance.

I keep asking how humans can be the way we are without God having anything to do with the way we are, and you keep saying, in essence, Just because. That doesn't rise to the level of something I can agree with or disagree with.

 

[Smoke]

Smoke, i'll be posting up a topic about the accepting Christ here soon.So be looking out man.

I look forward to it.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

I was hinting at it, but here it is in more detail. Only humans were made in the image of god. As such he doesn't blame us but rather setup a scenario with which he can be our saviour. Which required us to sin and need a saviour. Why would he do this? Love I guess

More like He KNEW we would sin, so it was necessary to have a savior. But He didnt create to be sinners so He could die. He knew creating us with the power of choice, we would choose wrong many times. But it was love that kept Him from making us robots. Had he dne so, we would serve Him because thats all we knew. Not because we loved Him. Doesnt make sense that He would create us to sin JUST so He could die.

 

[Smoke]

I was hinting at it, but here it is in more detail. Only humans were made in the image of god. As such he doesn't blame us but rather setup a scenario with which he can be our saviour. Which required us to sin and need a saviour. Why would he do this? Love I guess

Yeah, I knew a guy like that. He set his ex-boyfriend's house on fire so he could run in and save him. Love, I guess. People like that are kind of scary.

 

[LyricalDutchess]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying you've failed to explain your position. Itwillend has explained his position, and I disagree with him. (Except he hasn't explained why Jesus needed to come, but that's kind of moving on to another topic anyway.) But you aren't saying anything of substance.

I keep asking how humans can be the way we are without God having anything to do with the way we are, and you keep saying, in essence, Just because. That doesn't rise to the level of something I can agree with or disagree with.

Check out my comment to itwillend. Maybe that'll shed more light on my stance.

 

[Beta]

So we choose evil because Satan is more persuasive than God?
Do you think God could ever learn to be as persuasive as Satan?

Not everything we do wrong is down to satan instant influence. If only you would take the time to read posts with more patience and meditation we would not be bombarded with erronious questions.
How many more times do we have to tell you that generally speaking man does not choose to sin (some do) but does not always see/recognize sin or evil because it is hidden and /or presented as attractive. Satan is not that open and above board and naturally man is at a disadvantage because we are weak in flesh and spirit. We thus give way to our own desires too.
God does not have to persuade man or plead with us to be good - that would infringe on our free will which God allows for better or worse. He gave man 6000 years to do our own thing (if we so wish). He stands by with help and advice for those who seek him, for the rest we bear our own responsibility.

 

[Smoke]

Check out my comment to itwillend. Maybe that'll shed more light on my stance.

No, it really doesn't, because you don't have to be a robot to be good.
If you do, God must be a robot, and we should start wondering who programmed him.