I don't particularly want to sin...

[DNB]

No, but you are an atheist in regard to them.

But, they don't exist? How can their alleged opinion have any bearing on reality?

 

[DNB]

Evolution.

Yes, you are correct, that could only be the cause. But, since, in actuality, your eyes are not that close to your nose, and are where they have always been since man's inception into the universe, we must conclude that evolution is a fallacy.

 

[Secret Chief]

Birds of a feather...

Otherwise known as scientific consensus.

 

[Secret Chief]

You've never studied or observed animals on your own?

Do you reject the scientific consensus?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

oh, but it well, it will make more sound and in touch with reality.

No. Denying the evidence of reality, does not change the evidence of reality.
And ignoring the evidence of reality, does not make "more in touch" with reality. Au contraire.

As for you, you believe that you are an ape

No. I know that I (and all other humans) am an ape. Just like I know that I am a mammal.

and therefore must live like one, but you won't, therefore you are a hypocrite.

I do live like one. We all do.
We all live like Homo Sapiens.

And a homo sapiens is an ape, mammal, tetrapod, vertebrate, eukaryote,....

Your statement here makes zero sense. Which isn't surprising.
We are humans. And humans are great apes. Humans are also mammals.
None of this takes away anything from us being humans.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Neil DeGrass is in your signature.

My signature is not part of the contents of my posts, so any comment about that is completely irrelevant to the conversation.

And, the rest is the fundamental principle that I am basing all my opinions on.

None of which is relevant to the conversation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It does get exasperating simply trying to predicate a fact as 'men are spiritual beings'

Your religious beliefs are beliefs. Beliefs aren't facts.

and to be met with such contention that the discussion never passes that point.

Why would it? When you pretend that mere beliefs are facts, you are going to get called out for it.
What else would you expect?

I do have an indignation for atheists, i believe that their sentiments are derived from a desire to not accept God's existence and His authority.

And as an atheist myself, I can only inform you that you are wrong about that.
Not that you'll care about that. You prefer to pretend to know better what my motivations then I know myself. That's quite arrogant of you, but what can we do..............

I think that He created the world in a manner that left enough ambiguity in its design, in order to expose the sceptics at heart.

Again, your religious beliefs are not relevant when it comes to the facts of reality.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Nope, I owned some goldfish once, not one tear was shed nor a funeral was held, for those that died before the others.

So because your goldfish didn't (or at least: you believe they didn't), therefor no animal at all other then humans grieve over the deaths of others?


Honestly now, do you consider this to be sound logic?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yes, you are correct, that could only be the cause. But, since, in actuality, your eyes are not that close to your nose, and are where they have always been since man's inception into the universe, we must conclude that evolution is a fallacy.

Funny that you mentioned the position of the nose as evidence "against" evolution.

Watch as the nose of the whale over time moves from the front position (back when it was a land mammal) to the top of the skull in modern whales (being a sea dwelling mammal).


More denial and handwaving in 3.....2.....1.....

 

[Secret Chief]

Yes, you are correct, that could only be the cause. But, since, in actuality, your eyes are not that close to your nose, and are where they have always been since man's inception into the universe, we must conclude that evolution is a fallacy.

Ah. I realise now. You're being satirical.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What if the outcome in the world when people ignore God is that right and wrong cease to have meaning and the powerful just force their way?

Your "what if" questions should be leading you away from a belief in God, since in every case, your "what if" questions describe the world pretty much as it is today.

Right and wrong have meaning, but only insofar as they describe what is either good or bad in the context of individual lives. And the powerful do, very much, just force their way with little concern for others -- and no God appears to put a stop to it.

 

[Secret Chief]

Funny that you mentioned the position of the nose as evidence "against" evolution.

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Watch as the nose of the whale over time moves from the front position (back when it was a land mammal) to the top of the skull in modern whales (being a sea dwelling mammal).


More denial and handwaving in 3.....2.....1.....

Next you'll be telling me that whales have hip bones. Or ostriches have wings.

 

[Sand Dancer]

But, they don't exist? How can their alleged opinion have any bearing on reality?

Then neither does yours. Everyone is an atheist in regard to another person's religion.

 

[Sheldon]

You've never studied or observed animals on your own?

I've never been to the top of Everest, but I'm still able to learn and remember facts about it. You it seems are not, since as I said, I linked research that demonstrates your sweeping unevidenced claims about animals are wrong. Unsurprisingly of course, you just ignored it, and dishonestly repeated your unevidenced assertions.

They've exhibited some characteristics that somehow has made you believe that they pray to gods, conduct funerals, enact legislation, or hold charity events?

Not even remotely true, and not even remotely what I said, again I posted links to scientific research, you are the one offering a bare opinion, not me.

Do keep it mind that I am referring to planet earth, eh?

Which ironically you claim to believe is a few thousand years old.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Human beings are apes, it is the scientific taxonomy.

Stop reading fiction. Just because you eat bananas, doesn't make you an ape, Sheldon.

Museums don't deal in fictions, and you are simply denying a scientific fact.

Humans are apes – ‘Great Apes’

"Humans are classified in the sub-group of primates known as the Great Apes. ... We are therefore classified along with all other apes in a primate sub-group known as the hominoids (Superfamily Hominoidea). "


"The first apes evolved about 25 million years ago and by 20 million years ago were a very diverse group. Within the last 10 million years, however, many ape species became extinct as the earth’s climate cooled and dried and their forested environments changed to woodland and grassland. There are now only about 20 living species of apes and they are divided into two major groups. These are the:
Lesser Apes, containing the gibbons
Great Apes, containing the orang-utans, gorillas, chimpanzees and humans

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Next you'll be telling me that whales have hip bones. Or ostriches have wings.

Speaking of whales, this pic is pretty neat as well

Or how upper limbs became flippers.

Speaking of which, here's a nice cast of a whale flipper with a human hand on top

And speaking about homology, a cross section of an elephant's foot: always fun to look at

 

[Sheldon]

DNB said: ↑
Neil de Grassi is wrong

Neil is not a biologist. What are you talking about or referring to?

It's possible he means Neil deGrasse Tyson, and there is a distinct possibility he doesn't understand that he is a physicist, and not a biologist. TBH it's possible he doesn't understand the difference.

 

[Sheldon]

Homosexuality is an abomination, as are countless other sexual deviancies.

Then you don't have to participate, but others don't have to adhere to your bigoted homophobic views. Or let them go unchallenged, as those views are deeply pernicious.

But, we hope that people will renounce their corrupt ways and embrace what God has created to be a wholesome and healthy, in all aspects, lifestyle

Well there is no law against hoping, as long as you don't persecute other with your prejudice.

Your cousin will be happier if she either remains heterosexual, or stays celibate.

She is not and never was heterosexual, can you not read? Pretending to be straight was once the only choice gay people had, and it caused immense misery and suffering, luckily things are changing and now they need pretend no longer.

For one, it will be better for her in the long run, but she'll also enjoy marriage and relationships much more, if she practices in a manner that her Creator intended.

Would you enjoy sleeping with men? His cousin can still enjoy marriage and children, and she need not live a lie for that.

I don't endorse what your cousin did.

Who cares, no other person needs or wants your endorsement, your beliefs don't entitle you to tell others how to live.

 

[Sheldon]

Yes. Even plants appear to have a form of awareness.
Are Plants Aware?

No, i tried speaking to one, once, it entirely ignored me.

Prima facie, I'd have to say I'm not prepared to condemn it for that.

 

[Sheldon]

Humans are not apes.

Science seems to think the evidence is that they are, so I'm going to believe the scientific evidence over unevidenced archaic superstition.

But, if you consider yourself to be, that may explain the other radical and misguided views that you have.

That's called an ad hominem fallacy, again your beliefs are in trouble if they require manifestly irrational claims. However it is not what I consider my self to be, that one is called a straw man fallacy, and again exposes how irrational your spiel is, however it is what the scientific evidence demonstrates to be true.