I have a question about use of niqab and corona face mask.

[Spirit of Light]

Nothing wrong with protecting yourself while doing the right thing.

...Some people foolishly think we shouldn't protect ourselves, claiming that all the self-protecting masks are reserved for medical professionals... They're wrong.

Here in Norway the sell both medical masks and non medical masks, would say of those who wear masks here it is 50/50 in use of medical mask or the form of mask I chose to wear.

 

[Piculet]

This is the new mask I wear now, it is with filter inside it, washable
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I detest everything but the normal disposable one. All these colours. Some even have some hideous pictures on them. They're ugly.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I detest everything but the normal disposable one. All these colours. Some even have some hideous pictures on them. They're ugly.

Personally I do not use my mask just because of covid-19, I also wear them outdoor because I react to air pollution and my asthma make it almost impossible to breath even on a not so much polluted day.
The medical mask is better directly toward covid-19 protection, yes. But I got this form of mask through my doctor.

If you do not like it, it is good if you wear only medical masks

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No they aren't.

Norwegian refers to born or naturalized (fully adopted the culture, and a legal citizen) people in Norway.

No, it's just a matter of being a citizen. "The culture of Norway" - or of any culture - is defined by the culture of its citizens.

There is a difference between learning and abiding by the culture of say UK for years, and me visiting China for 8 weeks on a work visa. I am not Chinese. To consider myself Chinese, I will have given up American citizenship, lived there for years, speak the language (I know less than fifty words of Chinese), marry a Chinese woman, and have Chinese children, and even then I will have Chinese people tell me "You are foreigner" until the day I die, sixty years later ( assuming age 20-30). Depending upon how big a country is into racial identity, if you look different from norm, you may never get accepted.

You make China sound pretty racist.

To call non-Norwegians Norwegian is a trick that the media uses to mask migrant crimes.

Anyone with Norwegian citizenship is a Norwegian.

 

[stvdv]

What reasons did Holland give for Muslims not to wear burkas in buildings and transportation?

In the US, that can lead to a lawsuit.

This is what I found as a reason for it. And it's for all, so bank robbers are also not allowed to wear a burqua, balaclava, helmet etc.

From 1 August 2019, it is prohibited for everyone to wear face-covering clothing on the tram, bus, metro and train and in and around buildings of education, care and the government. At these locations it is important for social safety and services that everyone can recognize and look at each other. It is therefore not allowed to wear clothing that makes the face unrecognizable, such as a full-face helmet, balaclava or burqa.

 

[stvdv]

This is what I found as a reason for it. And it's for all, so bank robbers are also not allowed to wear a burqua, balaclava, helmet etc.

We just got this Law, and now they make new Law to wear face masks, and they even say that a shawl is okay
So, I wonder what will happen now, because some Corona masks are also covering large part of the face

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Nothing wrong with protecting yourself while doing the right thing too.

...Some people foolishly think we shouldn't protect ourselves, claiming that all the self-protecting masks are reserved for medical professionals only... They're wrong.

If it's for sale in stores, then it's meant for everyday consumers.

There was a shortage of them and we were asked not to buy them so that medical workers could have them. I don't know whether there's still a shortage or not.

 

[stvdv]

This may help
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Thank you for sharing. But I doubt this will help with this type of people. I mean the concept is so very simple. But they are into conspiracy theory, and it seems that common sense is gone for some people who are into this conspiracy. And then it's like talking to a wall of stone.

Why did they not put the percentage of both people without mask? Probably this will be 100%, considering that 1 receiving mask is already 70%.

Of course it depends on the type of mask you use. They should have mentioned this (if they want to give honest info). If you use the 98% ones or 95% ones (I have) special for viruses then the numbers change (compared to using homemade ones). Absolute numbers differ a lot, if you would compare this to self made shawls people are allowed to use in Holland (even promoted by our PM; as hospitals needed the 95+ ones).

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Then most of us are guilty of that, as the medical grade face masks are to be reserved for medical personnel, not the general public, as there's a shortage. The rest of us are to use basically whatever we have to cover our mouth and nose - scarves, bandanas, cotton reusable masks, etc.

So as long as the material of the niqub is thick enough, it's good enough as a face covering.

Shortage?

There was a shortage during the initial wave when the world was taken by surprise.
Today we can get medical grade face masks at the pharmacy for like 5 bucks for a pack of 20.
Pharmacies also sell disposable filters meant to insert in homemade masks, which cost even less.
Medical experts working with the government in this crisis put out plenty of tutorials on how to make a proper mask that uses such filters.

But sure, if such things aren't available, then anything is better then nothing.

My point though, is just that the statement that a niqaab or scarf or bandana is "just as good" as a proper mask, simply isn't correct.

 

[Piculet]

This is what I found as a reason for it. And it's for all, so bank robbers are also not allowed to wear a burqua, balaclava, helmet etc.

No wonder you're so prejudiced.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

She does get to complain if you're being a leering creep. There's a way to notice and appreciate the beauty of other's without looking like a total perv, you know.

Well, I get to be a "leering perv" if I want to. As the owner of my eyes, I get to decide where I point them at. Just like she gets to show of her cleavage.

Doing everything she can to put emphasis on her breasts only to then complain about people staring, makes her a hypocrit. And you know what? Freedom grants her the right to be a hypocrit as well.

It's all good.

My point is: freedom is a two-way street.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Shortage?

There was a shortage during the initial wave when the world was taken by surprise.
Today we can get medical grade face masks at the pharmacy for like 5 bucks for a pack of 20.
Pharmacies also sell disposable filters meant to insert in homemade masks, which cost even less.
Medical experts working with the government in this crisis put out plenty of tutorials on how to make a proper mask that uses such filters.

But sure, if such things aren't available, then anything is better then nothing.

My point though, is just that the statement that a niqaab or scarf or bandana is "just as good" as a proper mask, simply isn't correct.

I don't think anyone said they're just as good. But we have to make due with what we have. Something is better than nothing.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Well, I get to be a "leering perv" if I want to. As the owner of my eyes, I get to decide where I point them at. Just like she gets to show of her cleavage.

Doing everything she can to put emphasis on her breasts only to then complain about people staring, makes her a hypocrit. And you know what? Freedom grants her the right to be a hypocrit as well.

It's all good.

My point is: freedom is a two-way street.

Be a leering perv and make her uncomfortable or angry if you want. You're assuming she's wearing the clothes for others, which isn't necessarily the case. Oh, and if you have a nice rear end, make sure you don't wear tight pants or shorts if you don't want people staring at you.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Oh well, you change your laws like you change your shirts.

Nope. We change our laws as society evolves and as advances in all kinds of areas call for change. All in order to protect the freedoms, rights, liberties and safety of the citizens.

Like what happened the past years with the GDPR rules. The evolution of big tech companies on the interwebs presented us with new challenges in terms of the gathering of personal information and using that for all kinds of stuff. There were no good laws to protect users, because they weren't under threat in that way 20 years ago. Today they are.

As society evolves, laws have to follow.

 

[Piculet]

My point though, is just that the statement that a niqaab or scarf or bandana is "just as good" as a proper mask, simply isn't correct.

That's not what they said on march

 

[Piculet]

My point is: freedom is a two-way street.

All I hear is: I live in a very sick society, a very very sick society.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I detest everything but the normal disposable one. All these colours. Some even have some hideous pictures on them. They're ugly.

I'm trying to get my hands on specific patch to stitch on my home made masks meant for use with disposable filter:

The Biohazard sign, lol.
For the lolz and also because it's one of my favorite bands of the 90s.

 

[Piculet]

You're assuming she's wearing the clothes for others,

Well, let's face it — she is. For me, just means for the way I feel in them; confident, sexy, provocative.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I don't think anyone said they're just as good.

The post that sparked my initial reply on this subject, did.

But we have to make due with what we have. Something is better than nothing.

Agreed.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You're assuming she's wearing the clothes for others, which isn't necessarily the case.

Off course it is the case..........

The niqaab is no different. In that case, it is to hide from others. The opposite, is to show to others.