I have a question for all members

[Domenic]

What does any of this have to do with you threatening people and refusing to debate, while completely misunderstanding what this forum is for?

You still haven't defended your position, people have still tried to help you, no one is flaming you, and what you wrote above says nothing except that you think kids look down on you and you can see the future. Neither of which has been demonstrated in this thread.

Defending a position is not a debate, it is an action. Why would I have to defend my position, I have not asked you to defend your position?

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Taking part in a discussion to merely state your position is one kind of communication; it is however a rather limited (and very often combative) form of communication.

For the main part, this forum is about discussion and debate, examining arguments and positions, learning and broadening one's perspective, attempting to understand one's own position and the positions of others as well as to perhaps influence the positions of others. For this reason, merely stating one's position is of limited use unless the purposes of the communication is merely to identify what people believe, rather than to understand what exactly they believe or why, alternative arguments and positions and so forth.

In such communications where you are doing more than merely identifying your position, the onus is on whoever is attempting to convince people of their position's validity - it usually rests on whatever evidence or reasoning they proffer, and the characteristics of their audience with regard to what might best sway their judgement on the position (for example if you are communicating with a person who values evidence, it is likely that they may have a greater requirement for the presentation of evidence in order to assure them of the validity of your position - IF that is what you are attempting to do).

It is not unique to debates (though there is usually a higher degree of emphasis on it there) but in any communication designed to do more than merely state one's position, the capacity to influence others usually rests on one's ability to satisfy their intellectual and emotional needs with regards not only to the position, but also often with regards to the impact on world view.

 

[Domenic]

Taking part in a discussion to merely state your position is one kind of communication; it is however a rather limited (and very often combative) form of communication.

For the main part, this forum is about discussion and debate, examining arguments and positions, learning and broadening one's perspective, attempting to understand one's own position and the positions of others as well as to perhaps influence the positions of others. For this reason, merely stating one's position is of limited use unless the purposes of the communication is merely to identify what people believe, rather than to understand what exactly they believe or why, alternative arguments and positions and so forth.

In such communications where you are doing more than merely identifying your position, the onus is on whoever is attempting to convince people of their position's validity - it usually rests on whatever evidence or reasoning they proffer, and the characteristics of their audience with regard to what might best sway their judgement on the position (for example if you are communicating with a person who values evidence, it is likely that they may have a greater requirement for the presentation of evidence in order to assure them of the validity of your position - IF that is what you are attempting to do).

It is not unique to debates (though there is usually a higher degree of emphasis on it there) but in any communication designed to do more than merely state one's position, the capacity to influence others usually rests on one's ability to satisfy their intellectual and emotional needs with regards not only to the position, but also often with regards to the impact on world view.

My needs are filled in the real world. Any debate on this thread is about what was stated in the OP. You are side tracking the thread. If you need to talk about your intellectual(sic) and emotional needs, please start you own thread, and ask the members to help you in those areas.

 

[Blackdog22]

Defending a position is not a debate, it is an action. Why would I have to defend my position, I have not asked you to defend your position?

This is why I also wrote "while completely misunderstanding what this forum is for?"

You don't seem to understand how debating works and you are in a debating forum. Stating your position and then running away isnt a debate. That is called preaching. If you want to merely state your position, with no regards to actually debating, then there are other forums that allow for that.

This isn't meant to come off rude or make you think, that I think, that I am better than you. I am just laying out what debate means and you aren't even trying.


Edit: Informed Ignorance made a solid attempt to help you, and it seems you completely missed the fact that he was trying to help you in a nice way, while also shewing him away and completely ignoring everything he said.

 

[Quagmire]

My needs are filled in the real world. Any debate on this thread is about what was stated in the OP. You are side tracking the thread. If you need to talk about your intellectual(sic) and emotional needs, please start you own thread, and ask the members to help you in those areas.

That's right, remember everybody: this thread is about fish and chips. . . I mean it's about prophesies. . . no wait, it's about pretending to be a writer,. . .or was it about the end of the world?. . .

OK, what was this thread about again?.

 

[InformedIgnorance]

My needs are filled in the real world. Any debate on this thread is about what was stated in the OP. You are side tracking the thread. If you need to talk about your intellectual(sic) and emotional needs, please start you own thread, and ask the members to help you in those areas.

Actually it was in direct regards to the OP.

If you make a statement in a post, then either you are looking to merely state your position (which is fine, you do not need to justify it in the slightest), or you are looking to explain or assert the validity of your position (which does need justification - a level of justification that will depend on your audience). Rather than criticising my statement you should read the entirety and identify the explicit considerations I stated: the purpose of the communication and (possibly) the characteristics of your audience.

 

[Domenic]

This is why I also wrote "while completely misunderstanding what this forum is for?"

You don't seem to understand how debating works and you are in a debating forum. Stating your position and then running away isnt a debate. That is called preaching. If you want to merely state your position, with no regards to actually debating, then there are other forums that allow for that.

This isn't meant to come off rude or make you think, that I think, that I am better than you. I am just laying out what debate means and you aren't even trying.


Edit: Informed Ignorance made a solid attempt to help you, and it seems you completely missed the fact that he was trying to help you in a nice way, while also shewing him away.

No it is you who do not understand. The debate is about the forum...not you, nor me.

 

[Domenic]

That's right, remember everybody: this thread is about fish and chips. . . I mean it's about prophesies. . . no wait, it's about pretending to be a writer,. . .or was it about the end of the world?. . .

OK, what was this thread about again?.

I'll bet you have a very hard time making friends. Being a smart mouth just shows you need to pack on a few years.

 

[Titanic]

I have been trying to figure out the core purposes of this forum?
It is not to promote faith in God. Yet it is listed as a religious forum”
Those who believe in the Bible cannot say this is true, or that is false, unless they refer to their comment as, “In my opinion.” Those who do not believe in God, are free to say, “That’s not true.”
I understand rules. Many of the rules I see, are toward the support of those who do not believe in a God, or the Bible?
Is the purpose of the forum to bash people who believe in God?

Its about people expressing their faith whatever that may be. a believer in god or not. [ btw I happen to believe].

 

[Titanic]

Lack of faith or not.

 

[Quagmire]

I'll bet you have a very hard time making friends.

Surprisingly, no. I'm as baffled by that as anyone. :yes:

Being a smart mouth just shows you need to pack on a few years.

pffft, I'm surprised I've made it this far.


You know, you really don't know much about people at all. That's one of the drawbacks of spending a life-time thinking exclusively about yourself. :yes:

 

[Domenic]

Actually it was in direct regards to the OP.

If you make a statement in a post, then either you are looking to merely state your position (which is fine, you do not need to justify it in the slightest), or you are looking to explain or assert the validity of your position (which does need justification - a level of justification that will depend on your audience). Rather than criticising my statement you should read the entirety and identify the explicit considerations I stated: the purpose of the communication and (possibly) the characteristics of your audience.

I read your statments on the thread. They were leaning more toward insult, than debate of the OP.

 

[Quagmire]

I read your statments on the thread. They were leaning more toward insult, than debate of the OP.

Maybe it's because the OP was an insult.

 

[Domenic]

Surprisingly, no. I'm as baffled by that as anyone. :yes:



pffft, I'm surprised I've made it this far.


You know, you really don't know much about people at all. That's one of the drawbacks of spending a life-time thinking exclusively about yourself. :yes:

That is a stupid statment. What can you know about what I've been thinking all my life All of your comments on this thread are just throwing mud. Can you not comment as an adult on the OP?

 

[InformedIgnorance]

Then you have a marvellously unique heuristic of interpretation (no i dont mean that as an insult, unique has the capacity to contribute in novel ways). Let me try a different approach... For what reason was a particular post written?

Does it exist merely to describe what a person thinks? If so then the poster need not justify what they believe or why.

If on the other hand they have made the post for some deeper reason, whether it is to explain why they believe as they do or to attempt to influence others about the truth or merits of their position, then they need to be able to provide to those they are communicating with, support for the contents of their post. What the audience considers viable support will vary depending on their own values on evidence and logic, emotion and reasoning.

To achieve the purpose for which the post was made (when not merely stating one's position, but rather to explain why the position is held or to influence others etc) the poster should therefore bear in mind the needs of the audience, if they fail to do so then the purposes of the post are less likely to be fulfilled​

 

[Draka]

Is this really still going on? My children's temper tantrums don't last this long.

 

[Blackdog22]

No it is you who do not understand. The debate is about the forum...not you, nor me.

I can see my words have been wasted on you. Carry on good sir.

 

[Quagmire]

That is a stupid statment. What can you know about what I;ve been thinking all my life

I can see where your buttons are, and they're all marked "ME".

All of your comments on this thread are just throwing mud.

Trying to throw it out, actually, and after you tracked it in all over our nice, clean forums.

(and is that mud? That would have been my second guess)

Can you not comment as an adult on the OP?

Already have. Apparently, that wasn't what you were looking for.

 

[Domenic]

Then you have a marvellously unique heuristic of interpretation (no i dont mean that as an insult, unique has the capacity to contribute in novel ways). Let me try a different approach... For what reason was a particular post written?

Does it exist merely to describe what a person thinks? If so then the poster need not justify what they believe or why.

If on the other hand they have made the post for some deeper reason, whether it is to explain why they believe as they do or to attempt to influence others about the truth or merits of their position, then they need to be able to provide to those they are communicating with, support for the contents of their post. What the audience considers viable support will vary depending on their own values on evidence and logic, emotion and reasoning.

To achieve the purpose for which the post was made (when not merely stating one's position, but rather to explain why the position is held or to influence others etc) the poster should therefore bear in mind the needs of the audience, if they fail to do so then the purposes of the post are less likely to be fulfilled
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The OP was a two part question. I made no statement.
　
Question 1
"I have been trying to figure out the core purposes of this forum?
It is not to promote faith in God. Yet it is listed as a religious forum”
Question 2
"Is the purpose of the forum to bash people who believe in God?"

If you read the OP you would see I made no stand on any position.
One of the staff who has posted with nasty remarks seems to think the OP is an insult?
I expected you, of all the posters, to have understood the OP?

 

[Domenic]

I can see where your buttons are, and they're all marked "ME".



Trying to throw it out, actually, and after you tracked it in all over our nice, clean forums.

(and is that mud? That would have been my second guess)



Already have. Apparently, that wasn't what you were looking for.

I see you have 30,000 post? I'll bet you would never insult people face up in the real world..on the computer you feel free to be your nasty self.