I Just Proved That Jesus Is A False Messiah In Less Than 5 Minutes

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We can also see that the Messiah of Judaism is still MIA.

So is Jesus.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Matthew 1 explains the lineage. FYI, Mary was immaculately conceived too

It means she was born without sin. Her mother wasn’t a virgin when she got pregnant.

 

[Colt]

So is Jesus.

Technically Jesus isn't missing, he came and returned to where he lives. When he comes again its only going to be for a visit.

 

[Sheldon]

FYI, Mary was immaculately conceived too

Like buses, no immaculate conceptions, then two at once.

 

[Fool]

Like buses, no immaculate conceptions, then two at once.

there are no absolutes in science or nature

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, evolution was the technique of creation for our world. The human Jesus was the natural product of conception between Joseph and Marry. However the preexisting Son of God becoming the person of Mary's baby at conception was an unfathomable miracle.

Adam and Eve arrived on an earth that was already populated and fallen. The "crafty beast" was already evil, already working against Gods will for the pair. Cain feared people out in the world away from his own. He went to Nod and found a wife.

So you're saying that Adam and Eve arrived on the earth? Did they suddenly appear do you think, or did they evolve? From what do many say is the Unknown Common Ancestor of gorillas, bonobos, and of course, humans. Just wondering how do you figure this out. Did Adam and Eve evolve from another form of hominid?

 

[YoursTrue]

there are no absolutes in science or nature

So did Adam and Eve evolve from an earlier type of hominid do you think?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, evolution was the technique of creation for our world. The human Jesus was the natural product of conception between Joseph and Marry. However the preexisting Son of God becoming the person of Mary's baby at conception was an unfathomable miracle.

Adam and Eve arrived on an earth that was already populated and fallen. The "crafty beast" was already evil, already working against Gods will for the pair. Cain feared people out in the world away from his own. He went to Nod and found a wife.

Did the crafty serpent work against birds and gorillas, worms, etc. before he approached Eve? I mean how do you figure that out? Honest question, since you say Adam and Eve arrived. How did they arrive?

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, and in by belief that voice that Jesus heard was the Father within him that declared the truth about the identity of his Son.

So it seems you reason that Jesus spoke to himself as there was said to be a voice from heaven . At my what age is it said that Jesus heard the voice?

 

[YoursTrue]

mary's mother was anna. you're introduced to her in luke 2:36-38.

your sarcasm is duly noted

Again, really ..you say Mary and Anna were perfect. Were they descended by evolution from an unknown common ancestor scientists say humans came from? Please don't be offended by the question. Since you speak of the perfection of Mary and Anna

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, and in by belief that voice that Jesus heard was the Father within him that declared the truth about the identity of his Son.

Did you come up with this idea or did someone introduce it to you?

 

[YoursTrue]

It's a good question. I don't know, to be honest.

I don't know his lineage; but, while he was alive, the Rebbe was deeply committed to bringing "Mochiach Now!". He spoke of Mochiach as someone else, in the 3rd person.

Ty for your reply. I see pics of M Schneerson a lot in my neighborhood. I'm not sure but it may be possible the advocates are waiting for his resurrection.

 

[Colt]

So you're saying that Adam and Eve arrived on the earth? Did they suddenly appear do you think, or did they evolve? From what do many say is the Unknown Common Ancestor of gorillas, bonobos, and of course, humans. Just wondering how do you figure this out. Did Adam and Eve evolve from another form of hominid?

No, as a student of the Urantia revelation I believe that Adam and Eve came from another world. They were to be the world new visible rulers, representatives of the spiritual government on high, a material Son and Daughter that would replace the regime of the fallen prince or "crafty beast". While bringing unique dna themselves they were given bodies using the highest existing human stocks. The legend of Eve coming out of Adams rib was based on the celestial surgery that took place on their behalf. If you notice in the Genesis narrative Adam and Eve "suddenly appear" on earth as 2 full grown adults, educated in God will and able to converse with the "beast".

 

[Colt]

Did you come up with this idea or did someone introduce it to you?

From the Urantia Book

 

[Colt]

So it seems you reason that Jesus spoke to himself as there was said to be a voice from heaven . At my what age is it said that Jesus heard the voice?

Note in the OT, Ezekial 36:27 And I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes and to carefully observe My ordinances.

All of us spirit born believers have God within us. Weather we desire to be lead by God is up to us.

 

[Colt]

Did the crafty serpent work against birds and gorillas, worms, etc. before he approached Eve? I mean how do you figure that out? Honest question, since you say Adam and Eve arrived. How did they arrive?

Celestial transport. Our world is quite old, its been the host to many epochs of life. Will conscious man dates to about 1,000,000 years ago. In my UB theology the prince of the world fell into sin about 200,000 years ago. Adam, arrived about 39,000 years ago.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Jesus never was and never will be the messiah. Here is why.

He failed one of the first OT prophecies which was to be descended from king David and king Solomon. Genesis 49:10 states that the messiah would descend from king David's side and king Solomon in Chronicles 22:9-10. Jesus already failed this due to a virgin birth. Mary in the NT has no genealogy except for it being hinted at in Luke 1:34-36. The angel confirmed Mary is biologically blood related to Elizabeth. And Luke 1:5 clearly states that Elizabeth is descended from king Aaron. Therefore since Mary is blood related to Elizabeth, she also follows that lineage. So we can conclude Mary is descended from king Aaron of the Levi tribe. There is no mention other than this of her genealogy.


We can also disregard her being descended from king David and Solomon at this point and also because she is not mentioned anywhere in the NT that she was descended from those two anyway. Now, even though Joseph is descended from king David and Solomon, he is disqualified from having any affiliation with Jesus since he made no biological contribution to Jesus' birth as clearly mentioned in Matthew 1:22-25. Only after his birth did Mary and Joseph biologically "consummate." This is a clear indication that Jesus failed this OT prophecy.

What can we logically conclude from this fact alone? That Jesus is NOT the messiah. And I just made the case for Judaism that much stronger ironically...

That does not mean Jesus is not the Messiah described in Torah.
Because there could be two Messiahs in the Torah. One of them is Not a descendant of King David, and one of them is a descendant of king.
The first Messiah, is not a descendant of King David, and this is Jesus. The second one is metaphorically and spiritually, the second coming of Messiah. In fact this is what the Bahais believe. The second coming of the Messiah, is Baha'u'llah who was a descendant of David or from Jesse.
I believe, the confusion comes from, thinking the Torah is speaking of one Messiah. This is what Jews and Christians understood. Now, Jesus matches some of the descriptions in Torah, but also He does not match some of the descriptions.

 

[Sheldon]

Sheldon said: ↑
Like buses, no immaculate conceptions, then two at once.

there are no absolutes in science or nature

I already know this, and since it has absolutely nothing to do with my post, I'm not sure why you're telling me?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

No doubt. I am asking about now though, current times. The records were stored. But what about since then, do you think the Jews are keeping records of genealogical descent now? If so, would you know where?

The Temple records were destroyed in the year 70 when the Roman armies destroyed un-faithful Jerusalem.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So is Jesus.

Jesus is Not MIA but as in his illustration found at Luke 19:11-15 Jesus as the nobleman went away on a faraway journey before he would return at the coming Glory Time mentioned at Matthew 25:31-34.
Fake 'weed/tares' Christians would grow together over the centuries with the genuine ' wheat ' Christians before Jesus would return at the Harvest Time.
A harvest comes at the end of a long growing season, and before Jesus would return his followers would complete the work Jesus said to do at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 to declare on a vast international scale about God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44-45.
Just as his modern-day followers are Not MIA nor is Jesus because everything is just as foretold it would be.