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I pardon my son

Nimos

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Got ChatGPT to create a list of how many each of the last 10 presidents have pardoned:

Here is a list of the last 10 U.S. presidents and the number of pardons they issued during their terms:
  1. Joe Biden (2021–present): 25 pardons (as of 2024), with a focus on nonviolent offenders.
  2. Donald Trump (2017–2021): 143 pardons and 94 commutations.
  3. Barack Obama (2009–2017): 212 pardons and 1,715 commutations, emphasizing clemency for nonviolent drug offenders.
  4. George W. Bush (2001–2009): 189 pardons.
  5. Bill Clinton (1993–2001): 396 pardons, including some controversial decisions, such as the pardon of Marc Rich.
  6. George H. W. Bush (1989–1993): 74 pardons.
  7. Ronald Reagan (1981–1989): 393 pardons.
  8. Jimmy Carter (1977–1981): 534 pardons, including a blanket pardon for Vietnam War draft dodgers.
  9. Gerald Ford (1974–1977): 382 pardons, including the notable pardon of Richard Nixon.
  10. Richard Nixon (1969–1974): 863 pardons, focusing on law enforcement personnel and civil rights violators.
So Biden is actually one of the relaxed ones it seems :D
 
Heyo

Heyo

Veteran Member
Regiomontanus said:
He said he would not do it, but what the f


I would have done it too, if I was in Joe's shoes
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“I believe in the justice system, but as I have wrestled with this, I also believe raw politics has infected this process and it led to a miscarriage of justice.”
The disclaimer is a lie. Biden confirms what MAGA has said. The US justice system is rotten and susceptible to political manipulation.
 
W

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Regiomontanus said:
He said he would not do it, but what the f


I would have done it too, if I was in Joe's shoes
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Joe Biden, the DNC and 51 corrupt Intel people, need to be blame for lying about the Hunter Biden laptop, so the DNC could late cheat, censor and have a chance to win the 2020 election. Had the laptop story come out before the election; freedom of press and freedom of speech, Joe Biden would have lost and Hunter would not have undergone the same scrutiny. There would be no sense to target him. Trump is not vindictive, especially if he wins.

But since the lie and coverup lasted long enough for Biden to misrepresent and steal the election, the investigation was about the Biden Family influence peddling business, with Joe Biden buffered by his own injustice system, by having become President. Hunter became the vulnerable scapegoat that was meant for Joe.

Maybe Joe can swap places with his son. Now Joe is protected by the same Supreme Court decision about accountability of Presidents, that the Left projected would be misused by Trump. But the boneheads, in the DNC, set a new precedent that can target former presidents with federal and state legal abuse. What goes around comes around.

One thing, I notice about the Left minions is they seem to lose the full context, and act like all they have only short term memory; the new moment but no past to give it context. The entire drama started when Biden was a Senator and led to today. I can see Hunter being under so much pressure being the liaison between shady world characters, trying to numb the stress with drugs. Trump might pardon Hunter as a gesture for everyone to move forward.
 
Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
Nimos said:
Whatever it applies to I don't really care.

What the hell happened to this part:

“that these dead shall not have died in vain– that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth”

It should be:

“that these dead shall not have died in vain– that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the Rich, by the rich, for the rich, shall not perish from the earth”

That seems to be how things are done everywhere, not only in the US.
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Oh, you are idealistic. Good for you :)
 
Regiomontanus

Regiomontanus

Eastern Orthodox
wellwisher said:
Joe Biden, the DNC and 51 corrupt Intel people, need to be blame for lying about the Hunter Biden laptop, so the DNC could late cheat, censor and have a chance to win the 2020 election. Had the laptop story come out before the election; freedom of press and freedom of speech, Joe Biden would have lost and Hunter would not have undergone the same scrutiny. There would be no sense to target him. Trump is not vindictive, especially if he wins.

But since the lie and coverup lasted long enough for Biden to misrepresent and steal the election, the investigation was about the Biden Family influence peddling business, with Joe Biden buffered by his own injustice system, by having become President. Hunter became the vulnerable scapegoat that was meant for Joe.

Maybe Joe can swap places with his son. Now Joe is protected by the same Supreme Court decision about accountability of Presidents, that the Left projected would be misused by Trump. But the boneheads, in the DNC, set a new precedent that can target former presidents with federal and state legal abuse. What goes around comes around.

One thing, I notice about the Left minions is they seem to lose the full context, and act like all they have only short term memory; the new moment but no past to give it context. The entire drama started when Biden was a Senator and led to today. I can see Hunter being under so much pressure being the liaison between shady world characters, trying to numb the stress with drugs. Trump might pardon Hunter as a gesture for everyone to move forward.
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We are talking about very specific charges here (firearms and taxes).
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
Jayhawker Soule said:
As would I, but it clearly exposes his terse and repeated assertions to the contrary as little more than an uncaring lie for political gain.
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Clear as mud, maybe.

He was willing to abide by the plea deal, without a pardon. No lie, certainly no political gain in his reconsideration.
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
We Never Know said:
I agree its gives Trump the green light.

Posters are saying 'I dont blame him because Trump ... Or 'he should have because Trump ...
Etc. etc.

Now when/if Trump pardons J6 people he can say I'm doing it because Biden ...

The blame game needs to stop.
IMO Biden was always going to do it regardless. His doing so had nothing to do with Trump.

People can lay blame where they want, bottom line, Biden is going to do what Biden wants same as Trump is going to do what Trump wants.
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Trump already has the green light. Not enough people realize that he'll do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants, and he knows more than ever that people will let him. It's literally the MAGA version of rules for radicals. Try to force others to live up to the ideal while he does whatever the hell he wants. Wouldn't matter what Biden did. Virtue and valor and rule of law are useless in the light of that mentality, in fact they would be seen as a sign of weakness.
 
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F1fan

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
None(most) of you lefties believed Biden wouldn't do it.
Tada! Lol
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And he didn't, as long as the DOJ has rules and ethics in place. If Harris had won there would have been no reason to pardon him. All that changed when Trump was elected again. Now there are no rules, no ethics, and a mentally disturbed president elect who is hell bent on revenge against the system that followed the law. Trump and his band of unethical nutjobs will turn the DOJ into a cesspool of retribution.

You seem to think democrats should be dumb not to notice that the president elect is a criminal who will continue with his corruption and lies. All democrats need to change how they treat MAGAs and start playing more hardball against these anti-social folks. MAGA is a sickness, and democrats need to treat it like the disease it is.
 
F

F1fan

Veteran Member
We Never Know said:
I agree its gives Trump the green light.

Posters are saying 'I dont blame him because Trump ... Or 'he should have because Trump ...
Etc. etc.

Now when/if Trump pardons J6 people he can say I'm doing it because Biden ...

The blame game needs to stop.
IMO Biden was always going to do it regardless. His doing so had nothing to do with Trump.

People can lay blame where they want, bottom line, Biden is going to do what Biden wants same as Trump is going to do what Trump wants.
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It will interesting to watch all the violent criminals that Trump Vardons. How many of them will be so stupid as to think it means they can commit more crimes? The media will keep an eye on these MAGA criminal and see if they have learned anything in prison and start being decent citizens, or continue with their crimes against the USA and citizens and get into more trouble.

You MAGAs are a criminal party, and crime is something you guys have no right to point out in others. If you point to a migrant who is in the USA wihtout documentation, well who cares because you guys are the criminal party, these should be your people too.
 
Nimos

Nimos

Well-Known Member
Regiomontanus said:
Oh, you are idealistic. Good for you :)
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No, I wouldn't say that.

But the way I look at it is equally to the staff members here saying you can't do this, this and that and then they do it themselves and hold themselves above the rules they want others to follow.

If they can't follow their own laws so they are equal, then fix them.
 
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