I pardon my son

[F1fan]

Biden and Trump truly deserve no better than each other.

This is unfair since Biden played by the rules and lost, while Trump has cheated and lied his way into the presidency. Yet both are seen as the same? Trump can be corrupt as the day is long but Biden has to be perfect? Sorry, but with a Trump being president it is every man for himself, and everyone has to do what they can to protect themselves. There's no more honor system with a criminal president. The double standard is why democrats lose. Sorry, but fire needs to be used to fight fire. And too many voters are easily fooled by disinformation and divisive rhetoric. MAGAs can NOT be trusted in any way. They are corrupt to the core and each of us needs to treat them as the threat they are, and as the potential threat they pose. Biden understand this, and he did what his power allows to protect his son. This means Joe Biden himself will be the #1 target for retribution by Trump, and I'm sure Joe is fine with this as long as Hunter is shielded.

If Kash patel become the FBI director would you trust anything he claims to have as evidence against Biden, or Harris, or any democrat? If there is a corrupt DOJ that says they are bringing charges against democrats, but the evidence is sealed, do we have reason to trust them? Has Trump given us reason to trust him? Has MAGA earned our trust with their claims of voter fraud yet state elections boards say there wasn't? Do we trust Trump's mental health when he nominates sexual offenders for the administration?

In my assessment these MAGAs are troubled people with poor judgment, and none of us have any reason to trust any of them in any way. They are a domestic threat in every way imaginable.

 

[Debater Slayer]

This is unfair since Biden played by the rules and lost, while Trump has cheated and lied his way into the presidency. Yet both are seen as the same?

I didn't say both are the same; I said they both deserve no better than each other.

Trump can be corrupt as the day is long but Biden has to be perfect? Sorry, but with a Trump being president it is every man for himself, and everyone has to do what they can to protect themselves. There's no more honor system with a criminal president. The double standard is why democrats lose. Sorry, but fire needs to be used to fight fire. And too many voters are easily fooled by disinformation and divisive rhetoric. MAGAs can NOT be trusted in any way. They are corrupt to the core and each of us needs to treat them as the threat they are, and as the potential threat they pose. Biden understand this, and he did what his power allows to protect his son. This means Joe Biden himself will be the #1 target for retribution by Trump, and I'm sure Joe is fine with this as long as Hunter is shielded.

If Kash patel become the FBI director would you trust anything he claims to have as evidence against Biden, or Harris, or any democrat? If there is a corrupt DOJ that says they are bringing charges against democrats, but the evidence is sealed, do we have reason to trust them? Has Trump given us reason to trust him? Has MAGA earned our trust with their claims of voter fraud yet state elections boards say there wasn't? Do we trust Trump's mental health when he nominates sexual offenders for the administration?

In my assessment these MAGAs are troubled people with poor judgment, and none of us have any reason to trust any of them in any way. They are a domestic threat in every way imaginable.

I don't trust Trump or his administration of MAGAs to be fair, reasonable, or trustworthy. That said, I think what Biden just did merely adds to the normalization of corruption and nepotism. Not that Trump needed an excuse to be corrupt himself, but now it increasingly appears that the entire bipartisan system is long overdue for an overhaul.

 

[Revoltingest]

None(most) of you lefties believed Biden wouldn't do it.
Tada! Lol

Typical Maga.
You pretend to know what I believed.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do not think that is the case here. There was a legitimate plea bargain that was going to happen. It was not a sweetheart deal. He was getting the same treatment as anyone else with his low level criminal record. That was not good enough for the Republicans. They made it political and that put it back in Biden's lap. There will be howling from the right but we know that this is just a mote compared to the beam in the eyes of Republicans.

Very very very few people get a presidential pardon.
Many many many people are railroaded by a corrupt
system, & never get justice.
Pardoning Hunter achieves justice IMO if one considers
only the narrow issue of his personal circumstance.
But it comes at great cost, eg, less trust in government,
giving Trump cover for pardons that are more corrupt.

BTW, the right is correct to "howl" at this pardon.
Then Magas will use it hypocritically to justify far worse.

 

[Revoltingest]

Biden and Trump truly deserve no better than each other.

Trump's level of corruption
is far far greater (IMO).

 

[We Never Know]

He said he would not do it, but what the f

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/01/politics/hunter-biden-joe-biden-pardon/index.html

I would have done it too, if I was in Joe's shoes

Biden was sure to cover everything for 10 years of anything Hunter did, may have did or was part of all the way back to 2014, before Trump was even in the picture.

"President Biden issued the "full and unconditional pardon" for offenses his son "committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024."

Joe Biden pardons son Hunter Biden despite pledges not to: 'Enough is enough'

President Joe Biden announced Sunday he would pardon his son Hunter Biden, who was convicted of gun and tax crimes, days before sentencings.

www.statesman.com

 

[Truthseeker]

He said he would not do it, but what the f

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/01/politics/hunter-biden-joe-biden-pardon/index.html

I would have done it too, if I was in Joe's shoes

The reaction to this in news and politicians to me shows that the public arena is skewed against Democrats. The Democrats are not under the grip of fear of a Trump cult, so most time they will defend Trump, but on the other hand the same situation doesn't exist under the Democratic party, so they will be divided on an event like this. Likewise in the news the Fox network lies and distorts all the time, while the liberal side as in MSNBC as far as I can see don't lie, though they do skew and spin things in the favor of Democrats. The news media in the middle of the political spectrum get less of an audience, as evidenced that CNN has the lowest of the TV ratings among the big three cable news networks, and they bend over backwards sometimes in a desire to look impartial so sometimes they fail us by having a false equivalency.

I should say in the interest of fairness that I see things on the liberal side, so you can take what I say here with a grain of salt. I do have a bias.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Executive Grant of Clemency
Joseph R. Biden, Jr.
President of the United States of America

To All to Whom These Presents Shall Come, Greeting:

Be It Known, That This Day, I, Joseph R. Biden, Jr., President of the United States, Pursuant to My Powers Under Article II, Section 2, Clause 1, of the Constitution, Have Granted Unto

ROBERT HUNTER BIDEN

A Full and Unconditional Pardon

For those offenses against the United States which he has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 1, 2014 through December 1, 2024, including but not limited to all offenses charged or prosecuted (including any that have resulted in convictions) by Special Counsel David C. Weiss in Docket No. 1:23-cr-00061-MN in the United States District Court for the District of Delaware and Docket No. 2:23-CR-00599-MCS-1 in the United States District Court for the Central District of California.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF I have hereunto signed my name and caused the Pardon to be recorded with the Department of Justice.

Done at the City of Washington this 1st day of December in the year of our Lord Two Thousand and Twenty-four and of the Independence of the United States the Two Hundred and Forty-ninth.
##

I think the part I bolded says a lot. He is not only pardoned for the crimes we do know Hunter committed but crimes he may have committed for the last 10 years. This is corruption but the left will rationalize it as good because Trump bad. Corruption is corruption no matter who else you think is corrupt.

 

[Altfish]

Of course he can be criticised. Just not by Joe Biden.

Trump now has a "Your lot did it" come back.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think the part I bolded says a lot. He is not only pardoned for the crimes we do know Hunter committed but crimes he may have committed for the last 10 years. This is corruption but the left will rationalize it as good because Trump bad. Corruption is corruption no matter who else you think is corrupt.

Wrong. I do not rationalize it is a good. I am most disappointed.

Admittedly, I understand it -- Biden has already lost one son to cancer, and to lose another to jail in his increasingly frail old age must have seemed to painful to bear. But it is, in my personal view, a mis-use of the power of the pardon, which I have always hoped would be used to right judicial wrongs, which are legion.

 

[We Never Know]

I think the part I bolded says a lot. He is not only pardoned for the crimes we do know Hunter committed but crimes he may have committed for the last 10 years. This is corruption but the left will rationalize it as good because Trump bad. Corruption is corruption no matter who else you think is corrupt.

Yep no matter what comes up, if anything from Jan 2014 to Dec 2024. Kinda makes me wonder what else there may be but isn't in the light yet, but now it won't matter because he is covered.

 

[Heyo]

Ask a poor person, person of color, or person in a small town with a corrupt judge or sheriff - how long they've already know this.

The DNC didn't know it, or at least tried to keep the facade by acting as if the justice would work.

 

[oldbadger]

He said he would not do it, but what the

Questions!
Only two:
1. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden last say that he would NOT interfer in proceedings against his son?
2. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden give up his attempt on the next Presidency?

Those two dates make one massive difference to the situation

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Biden and Trump truly deserve no better than each other.

I would not equate the two

 

[Debater Slayer]

I would not equate the two

I don't see them as equal. I think they're reprehensible in different ways. Strictly in terms of corruption, I believe Trump is the far bigger offender.

 

[We Never Know]

Questions!
Only two:
1. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden last say that he would NOT interfer in proceedings against his son?
2. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden give up his attempt on the next Presidency?

Those two dates make one massive difference to the situation

Even if Biden had stayed in the race, IMO win or lose he was going to do it regardless.
He just had to wait until after the election, which he did.

 

[oldbadger]

Even if Biden had stayed in the race, IMO win or lose he was going to do it regardless.
He just had to wait until after the election, which he did.

Amazing........ A Clairvoyant in our midst.

......in which case please tell:
When was the last time Biden told that he would not interfere?
When did Biden hand over the Presidency attempt to Harris?

Thank you........

 

[Heyo]

Trump now has a "Your lot did it" come back.

Did he need it?

It may be that it was necessary. The MAGAts need to feel the injustice. Otherwise, they'd just laugh when Trump does it and look at the democrats as losers when they don't do it.
I said it before, you have to play by the rules. And if your opponent changes the rules, use the changes.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Questions!
Only two:
1. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden last say that he would NOT interfer in proceedings against his son?
2. Do you or any folks know on what date did Biden give up his attempt on the next Presidency?

Those two dates make one massive difference to the situation

I am pretty sure that he was still in the race when he said he would not pardon Hunter. Months before he dropped out of the 2024 race.

 

[We Never Know]

Amazing........ A Clairvoyant in our midst.

......in which case please tell:
When was the last time Biden told that he would not interfere?
When did Biden hand over the Presidency attempt to Harris?

Thank you........

As I posted to you on the other thread a few minutes ago...

Biden dropped out in July 2024

In August 2024..
"I can speak for the president, and he said he would not pardon his son. And I’m just going to leave it there," Jean-Pierre said"

In November 2024 when asked again...
"We’ve been asked that question multiple times. Our answer stands, which is no," the press secretary said"