I pardon my son

[anotherneil]

Democrats.

THE PARTY OF BEING ABOVE THE LAW AND NEPOTISM.

 

[Revoltingest]

Democrats.

THE PARTY OF BEING ABOVE THE LAW AND NEPOTISM.

Both parties fit that description.
Dems differ only in that Biden proved their inclusion so recently.
It's fundamental to US government that the high & mighty are above the law.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Very very very few people get a presidential pardon.
Many many many people are railroaded by a corrupt
system, & never get justice.
Pardoning Hunter achieves justice IMO if one considers
only the narrow issue of his personal circumstance.
But it comes at great cost, eg, less trust in government,
giving Trump cover for pardons that are more corrupt.

BTW, the right is correct to "howl" at this pardon.
Then Magas will use it hypocritically to justify far worse.

I am going to have to disagree with you. What was wrong with the plea agreement? Hunter would have served some time, he would have a record. He would not have been punished just for being the President's son.

 

[Copernicus]

I think that the pardon was overly broad, but I understand why Biden made it so broad. The incoming president is going through with his threat to weaponize the DoJ and the FBI against his political enemies. Biden should not have said that he wouldn't pardon his son, because his son should have been entitled to the same consideration as any other citizen. Past presidents have pardoned family members, e.g. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump himself. Trump even uses the promise of pardons to encourage some of his followers to commit violent acts on his behalf. So this pardon strikes me as reasonable, given the politicization of his son's criminal misdeeds.

As for this justifying Trump's use of the pardon, that ship has already sailed. Trump doesn't need Joe Biden's use of the pardon to justify what he has done and intends to do with that power. It exists, and it isn't going away no matter how much people huff and puff over it.

 

[Copernicus]

I am going to have to disagree with you. What was wrong with the plea agreement? Hunter would have served some time, he would have a record. He would not have been punished just for being the President's son.

Bear in mind, too, that Hunter Biden still has a record, as does Donald Trump. A pardon does not expunge the criminal record, it just nullifies it. Hunter Biden will not go to jail for his crimes, but he probably never would have but for the politicization of his charges.

Biden never promised he would not commute his son's sentences. If he or Harris had become the next president, Biden probably would have done that to keep his son out of jail.

 

[Revoltingest]

I am going to have to disagree with you.

What was wrong with the plea agreement? Hunter would have served some time, he would have a record. He would not have been punished just for being the President's son.

I judge that Hunter learned his lesson
to keep to legal behavior. This is justice.
But punishment for crime is also a message
to others. So I'm also fine with his being
prosecuted, sentenced, & serving it.
This too would've been justice.

 

[We Never Know]

Democrats.

THE PARTY OF BEING ABOVE THE LAW AND NEPOTISM.

Its odd that not only did Biden pardon Hunter for the gun charges, he also pardoned him for anything he may have committed or may have been involved in since Jan 1, 2014.
He must know something that others don't.

 

[Mock Turtle]

What does that mean?

Doing exactly the same as Trump and where Trump would likely do even worse to any democrats. And just taking the option open to him whilst he can. After all, what Trump did as to trying to steal the previous election is enough to have him put away, even though he will likely get away with this.

 

[metis]

Democrats.

THE PARTY OF BEING ABOVE THE LAW AND NEPOTISM.

Because of Trump's heavy use of the pardon of his buddies and supporters at the end of his term, and because of his stating he'll pardon many or all of the January 6th insurrectionists, I assume you mut be referring to the Republicans, right?

 

[anna.]

I think the part I bolded says a lot. He is not only pardoned for the crimes we do know Hunter committed but crimes he may have committed for the last 10 years. This is corruption but the left will rationalize it as good because Trump bad. Corruption is corruption no matter who else you think is corrupt.

It's not corruption. He's chopping up Trump's Burisma stick and I think that's a good idea.

No corruption was proven but the GOP would've spent more hours and more money in the next maladministration trying to prove what they have, through three GOP investigations, yet been able to prove. You know well that they'd have wanted to find something, if anything were there to be found.

 

[anna.]

I think that the pardon was overly broad, but I understand why Biden made it so broad. The incoming president is going through with his threat to weaponize the DoJ and the FBI against his political enemies. Biden should not have said that he wouldn't pardon his son, because his son should have been entitled to the same consideration as any other citizen. Past presidents have pardoned family members, e.g. Bill Clinton and Donald Trump himself. Trump even uses the promise of pardons to encourage some of his followers to commit violent acts on his behalf. So this pardon strikes me as reasonable, given the politicization of his son's criminal misdeeds.

As for this justifying Trump's use of the pardon, that ship has already sailed. Trump doesn't need Joe Biden's use of the pardon to justify what he has done and intends to do with that power. It exists, and it isn't going away no matter how much people huff and puff over it.

Agree with you with all, but particularly this:

"As for this justifying Trump's use of the pardon, that ship has already sailed. Trump doesn't need Joe Biden's use of the pardon to justify what he has done and intends to do with that power. It exists, and it isn't going away no matter how much people huff and puff over it."

 

[oldbadger]

I am pretty sure that he was still in the race when he said he would not pardon Hunter. Months before he dropped out of the 2024 race.

Thank you.

Well @We Never Know , the above answer differs from yours, yeah?

So during the Presidential race Biden was devoted to winning the election from Trump, probably because he was desperate to save his country from what you're going to get. I don't imagine that anything could get in the way of that. But Trump won the power and now Biden can think for himself and his.
His son would risk death in a prison, a very real possibility.

I'll bet that Trump will do what he's been preparing to do 'no matter what'.

Biden needed to save his son now.......... Wouldn't you?

 

[oldbadger]

I wonder how many convicts have been imprisoned for just 'lying on a gun application'?

 

[We Never Know]

Thank you.

Well @We Never Know , the above answer differs from yours, yeah?

So during the Presidential race Biden was devoted to winning the election from Trump, probably because he was desperate to save his country from what you're going to get. I don't imagine that anything could get in the way of that. But Trump won the power and now Biden can think for himself and his.
His son would risk death in a prison, a very real possibility.

I'll bet that Trump will do what he's been preparing to do 'no matter what'.

Biden needed to save his son now.......... Wouldn't you?

Differs from what?

As I said...

Biden dropped out in July 2024

In August 2024..
"I can speak for the president, and he said he would not pardon his son. And I’m just going to leave it there," Jean-Pierre said"

In November 2024 when asked again...
"We’ve been asked that question multiple times. Our answer stands, which is no," the press secretary said"

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It's not corruption. He's chopping up Trump's Burisma stick and I think that's a good idea.

No corruption was proven but the GOP would've spent more hours and more money in the next maladministration trying to prove what they have, through three GOP investigations, yet been able to prove. You know well that they'd have wanted to find something, if anything were there to be found.

The good thing is they can subpoena Hunter to testify and he has to tell the truth or face perjury charges.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The blame game needs to stop.
IMO Biden was always going to do it regardless. His doing so had nothing to do with Trump.

Maybe.

Consider though that Republicans were the ones that went after Hunter like flies on manure and they now control the majority of the federal government. Trump has already stated he will be weaponizing the justice department against his enemies.

What would you do?

 

[We Never Know]

Maybe.

Consider though that Republicans were the ones that went after Hunter like flies on manure and they now control the majority of the federal government. Trump has already stated he will be weaponizing the justice department against his enemies.

What would you do?

I could say the system was manipulated against Trump by changing his charges to felonies to prosecute him since the statue of limitations had ran out on them.

As for what would I do, I dont know. If I had to guess...
He was convicted by a jury of his peers so probably would commute his sentence to a shorter time instead of having him skate scott free.

 

[anna.]

The good thing is they can subpoena Hunter to testify and he has to tell the truth or face perjury charges.

You don’t their lawyers haven’t weighed all future possibilities?
After three failed GOP investigations, you’re all set for another? You’re a good illustration of why Biden went ahead with a pardon.

 

[Heyo]

Its odd that not only did Biden pardon Hunter for the gun charges, he also pardoned him for anything he may have committed or may have been involved in since Jan 1, 2014.
He must know something that others don't.

He knows something you could also know if you'd listen.
Trump and his cronies are going to weaponize the DOJ and will go against Trump's enemies. They said so. With the pardon, Biden brought his son out of the line of fire. No chance for any real or invented allegations.

 

[We Never Know]

He knows something you could also know if you'd listen.
Trump and his cronies are going to weaponize the DOJ and will go against Trump's enemies. They said so. With the pardon, Biden brought his son out of the line of fire. No chance for any real or invented allegations.

If there is nothing else he did or was involved in from Jan 2014 to Dec 2024 there is nothing else to go after.