waitasec
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who's talking about buying anything...?
the point is you think it's alright to sell your culpability, while i find that idea to be morally irresponsible.
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i think jesus was confused...or maybe luke and john were
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who's talking about buying anything...?
the point is you think it's alright to sell your culpability, while i find that idea to be morally irresponsible.
sincerly
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Wrong assumption/insinuation again/or continuing. Jesus Christ went willingly with that mob(HIS Hour had come---for this cause) to voluntarily express HIS (John 15:13), "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
Jesus was "buying"/ paying the price/which was death by going to that cross to be Crucified for sinful mankind. No one can pay the debt and live. You have the option/choice to refuse the offer as being "morally irresponsible" and pay it yourself on judgment day.
I thank GOD the Father for sending God the SON to be a propitiation for my "culpability/guilt" as a gift/without a price to me(other than an obstinate, self-centered will).
waitasec
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yes jesus willing bought your culpability....
question is, why are you willing to sell it.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...ates/128258-i-find-offensive.html#post2808880
sincerly
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waitasec
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exchange means there was a trade off...
the believer traded their culpability for salvation...
in essence the believer saved them self as it is their choice to trade in their culpability.
in essence the believer appointed them self to in the position of making decisions for others that do not adhere their beliefs...like birth control, same sex marriages and euthanasia...because the believer knows the "truth"
it's nothing but pure horse **** if you ask me....
sincerly
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exchange means there was a trade off...
(Eccl.9:5), "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Rom.3:20-26, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus."
One can see by those verses that the "exchange"(all initiated by GOD) is/was a good deal for the "Believer".
And Gladly so; the new heavens and new earth will be free of all the misery(man's inhumanity to man; sickness; death; pests; hunger; strife; etc) which is seen in this world today.
Only because a choice was before them---To believe on JESUS'S Shed for their redemption/Atonement or Reject that gracious offer.
Wrong! every individual makes a choice For or against the offer of Redemption. The Believer only points out the options between living in a right relationship with the True GOD and their neighbors; or acquiscing to the god---"self"(I think).
1Cor.3:19, For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
waitasec
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so why do believers die a physical death if jesus already died a physical death for them...it makes sense that the believers culpability is worthless which is why there are those who do horrendous acts in the name of their god.
so why did jesus have to die in the flesh...what purpose does it serve?
an excuse for bad behavior :yes:
dream on
no the choice is yours just the same no matter how you look at it...
choosing is an action, unfortunately for you...you are your own savior in your mind....
see even you contradicted yourself with the following sentence
:biglaugh:
did you forget luke 6?
and of course anyone with an ounce of common sense would see this notion is fed by arrogance as one who thinks they're on gods side is always right...
that and your passive aggressive maneuvers
excellent work bravo...:clap
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sincerly
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Waitasec, like your other claims, there is no scripture that indicates that Jesus died the physical death/"first death" for "Believers". As that verse I posted said, "The living know that they shall die". GOD is NOT WILLING for any to "perish"/die the second death". HE is willing to "pardon/forgive" any who, in genuine remorse, Repents and submits to HIS WILL.
People do "horrendous acts"---in and without---being "in the name of their god". The True GOD said, "vengence is mine". On the day of judgment all will receive their just reward---whether eternal life or that "second death".
It was in the "flesh" that Adan sinned and you and I live and have the death penalty imposed. Therefore, "ALL" have the choice accept the Grace of GOD's GIFT of continuing in Life by accepting that life giving BLOOD shed by God'S SON OR reject it.
NO, Continuing in "bad behavior" will only result in the "second death".
It isn't a dream, but a very truthful promise. ONE that the Creator GOD wants to share with ALL who will submit to HIS WILL.
NO, Your posts make it clear that I do not do any choosing for you. The scriptural options given by me do not over-ride the "action" of your choice.
Nor does the "action" of accepting the saving Shed Blood of Jesus make me my own "savior".
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Again, Wrong, there was no contradiction on my part.
No, that is an excellent chapter.
There is no arrogance in the Go ye and teach the whatsoever I have told you. The arrogance is in the "hearer"/recipent who disregards those words of wisdom from the Creator of the world.
The "passive agressive maneuvers" are in those posts of yours in attempting to undermine the validity of GOD'S Truths.
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waitasec
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37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
that or maybe he was going for a swim
:biglaugh:
sincerly
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37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
50 And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[e] When he had said this, he breathed his last.
30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
that or maybe he was going for a swim
:biglaugh:
From my previous post : "Waitasec, like your other claims, there is no scripture that indicates that Jesus died the physical death/"first death" for "Believers". As that verse I posted said, "The living know that they shall die". GOD is NOT WILLING for any to "perish"/die the second death". HE is willing to "pardon/forgive" any who, in genuine remorse, Repents and submits to HIS WILL.
People do "horrendous acts"---in and without---being "in the name of their god". The True GOD said, "vengence is mine". On the day of judgment all will receive their just reward---whether eternal life or that "second death".
Waitasec, your sniping changed my comment---that in red above. That is the same tactic/"maneuver" which you have done in your posts in order that the scriptures "appear" to be contradictory.
Yes, all four of the Gospels acknowledge the death of Jesus upon the Cross, but none say it was for the first death/"physical". Also, all four acknowledge that Jesus resurrected from tomb. Then the disciples watched HIM ascend into Heaven (Acts1)
Then you made a comment in red at the end of that "sniping"--to which I want to comment:
Originally Posted by sincerly
Waitasec, like your other claims, there is no scripture that indicates that Jesus died the physical death/"first death" <snip>
<the rest of your post is garbage ><snip>
I am well aware of your feelings and beliefs about the Bible and GOD from your posts, but one would do well to heed that "garbage" which was in the remainder of my post.
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waitasec
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sincerly
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You are forgiven.
waitasec
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sincerly
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the arrogance...
Call it what you will, but you were.
waitasec
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so why did jesus' disciples decided to draw their swords if they knew jesus was to provide the ultimate sacrifice for them and for the entire world?
:areyoucra
waitasec
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something i forgot to mention...
jesus was a man on the run as matthew 17:21
says so...
17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.
why would he skip town after making a ruckus in the temple?
:run: jesus :run:
a willing sacrifice....? no, not at all.
jesus was a man on the run as matthew 17:21
says so...
17 And he left them and went out of the city to Bethany, where he spent the night.
why would he skip town after making a ruckus in the temple?
:run: jesus :run:
a willing sacrifice....? no, not at all.
The kingdom of God is not of this world, for it is a Spiritual kingdom which interacts with the material world. While in the material world, you always have the option of letting some one kill you or you can defend yourself. The Spiritual aspect may let you know what is coming before it happens, and help you in your struggles, but it doesn't mother you. You fight your own battles, and bleed your own blood.
As for accepting the testimony of Luke, that is not in line with what Yeshua taught, in as much as Luke was not a first party witness to anything. Mt 18:16
waitasec
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john is the only gospel that stipulates this notion.
the synoptic gospels do not....
then why do believers still get sick?
what did yeshua teach...? there is no way of knowing...
it's the gnostics edited theology vs main stream edited theology.
sincerly
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Just as you have previously posted, the disciples were looking for Jesus to "restore the kingdom of Israel" from the rule of the Roman Empire.
sincerly
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That was Matt.21:17; and had you read the incontext content you would not had concluded that Jesus was on the run from HIS hour of betrayal and willing sacrifice. (or at that time.) He returned to the city the next morning. Wrong! Again.