If a creator exists, why worship it?

[Zen Sensei]

A "god" that endorses worship because it benefits us would mean this "god" is concerned with our welfare. I don't think that type of "god" exists, there is zero evidence for this "god's" existence.

Absolutely. It does not benefit the g0d a bit. As long as there is a perceived benefit for the worshipper, a religion can be invented from the worshipping but will eventually disappear as the persisted benefit melts away as is evident in historical records like all the religions that appears in archaelogical records like Gibelki Tepe, Sumerian, Babylonian, Midean, Persian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman civilization. There also existing older surviving religions like Yasidism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, Zorastrianism, Abrahamic, and more recent religions such as Sikhism, Jainism, Sufism, and also much more recently dead religions like Moa statue worship in the Easter Island, Incan and Mayan sun and volcano worshiping religions in the central american regions and Hawaiian islands. The worshiping stops when the woeshipers realized that the g0d or g0ds thay are worshiping does not deliver the perceived benefit they were hoping but remained unanswered. The pattern happens over and over in all parts of the world. Believing in g0d or g0ds have its origin in human evolution. It provide false hope and temporary survival advantage and benefits. It is based on hope, faith and superstitions. Human knowledge gained in the last 500 years have made it unnecessary to believed in a g0d or g0ds worshiping human society government and civilization. We can do a lot better without the g0d worship.

 

[ChristineES]

Why not worship it?

 

[JustWondering]

Forgive me if I answered this. If God existed, we would worship Him because He created us. Why give respect to your parents? (If you do) Why not be grateful to do things for them since they did things for you?

It really has nothing to do with the nature of God (external? Spirit? Jesus? Cosmos? Consciousness?), it has to do with being grateful and acting in gratitude--by community, getting to know God, prayer, doing everyday things to honor him, etc--that is worship.

"How" is based on the culture and customs people are raised with. The concept, it just makes sense.

Returning the love your parents gave you and respecting them is utterly different than getting on your knees and worshipping an invisible god that never answers when you call on them.

 

[JustWondering]

If there is a creator why do you assume it cares about us?

Because it created us. It's called deductive reasoning. Once you prove or accept the first premise, the others follow suit. If we can accept the reality for the sake of conversation that there is a creator, the next premise tells us that this Creator cares about us, because He (no gender implied) created our lives and every means of our livelihood. He gave us food, water, means of clothing ourselves, and all the tools necessary to live. The fact that we are living in cities and civilizations right now proves that this Creator cares about our well being. You can get more specific, look at water in itself. Not only is it beneficial for us humans, it is a necessity for life itself, and other creations, living and non-living, benefit from it. We can go through millions of examples to show that this Creator cares about what He creates, otherwise, if He did not care, then everything that He created (this universe), would be in chaos. You wouldn't see an elegant working system, you wouldn't see life, you wouldn't see complexity.

You are making a huge assumption. If something created us, it doesn't have to love or care about us. I doubt a being that is capable of creating universes has the same mindset, values, desires, and emotions we have. Such a being could be completely alien to us in every way.

The fact that humans can build cities and civilizations proves that humans can build cities and civilizations, period. A god didn't build them for us.

Yes, water is necessary for life as we know it, too bad not everyone can get it. If god really cared about ALL of us why is it that not everyone has access to water?

If we were a by-product of the creation of this universe, what created the universe?

What started it off? What designed the laws? If we were created in an experiment, fair enough, who were the experimenters? Are they finite like us? If they are, that means they also had a beginning and had a creator. Thing is, logically speaking, all things that are finite, can come only from infinites. Infinites cannot come from finites, and finites don't come from finites and stop right there. In order to get anything finite, you need to have an infinite.

Another assumption. I believe that the matter and energy that makes up this universe has always existed and always will. The laws that determine how matter and energy function and interact have always existed and always will. The universe simply exists and is eternal. Any sentient being that exists is composed of matter and energy and had a beginning of some kind (be it naturally occurring or at the hands of another being). The only infinite is the raw matter and energy floating around in the cosmos and the rules dictating how they react with each other.

Putting the claims of your religion and every religion aside and looking at the world and seeing it as it is doesn't support the existence of a creator that is concerned with our welfare and loves us.

I already showed in my first paragraph, without any mention or religion of religious beliefs, but only through logical deductive reasoning, that our existence (finite) AND livelihood fully supports the existence of a Creator (infinite) AND the fact that He cares about us.

Our existence = Finite -> Creator = Infinite
Our livelihood & Sustencance of everything in the universe -> Creator cares

Your reasoning is not logical. Your reasoning is obviously influenced by your religious beliefs and desires. If the act of creation automatically makes the created loved and cared about, why did our loving and caring creator allow the dinosaurs to go extinct? If a creator exists and loves us, why did it create and infect us with nasty diseases that cause massive amounts of pain and agony? Why does good fortune and misfortune seem to occur randomly to people regardless of their faith, talents, circumstances, or whether they are a good or bad person? Simple observation of how the world is gives more than sufficient evidence to support the claim that if a creator of some kind exists it is not taking an active role in our affairs for good or ill.

 

[JustWondering]

Why not worship it?

If a creator exists humanity has no real idea of what this creator is like. It could be completely alien to us. Therefore any "god" a person worships is something fabricated by humans and likely doesn't exist. Why worship something that doesn't exist? Why worship something that does not want to even show itself to us? There are more interesting and constructive uses for my time.

 

[JustWondering]

Perhaps God has tried and you're just not listening?

Yes, of course, its my fault. My atheism is just too strong for god to overcome, god is powerless before my atheism.

 

[sojourner]

If a creator exists humanity has no real idea of what this creator is like.

You know this because...?

 

[sojourner]

Yes, of course, its my fault. My atheism is just too strong for god to overcome, god is powerless before my atheism.

Love isn't forced. Love isn't a line you draw in the sand and dare someone to step over. Love gives power; it doesn't take power. So, therefore, your atheism is "too strong" for God to overcome. God doesn't overcome. God invites. Love is a choice. If God isn't living up to your expectations for how God behaves toward you, have you considered whether you've lived up to those same expectations of yourself toward God?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

If the human race created a new sentient species in the future (doesn't really matter how in this scenario) would it make sense for us to have this new species worship us? I personally think that would be a bit odd and blatantly narcissistic.

So if humanity was created by a "god" would it want our worship? Is this "god" if it exists even worthy of worship since it doesn't interfere in our daily lives for good or ill?

It makes perfect sense that an infinitely powerful and all-knowing super-being would want to create a race of mindless groupies to worship it, and then grant immortality to the most sycophantic of the bunch to spend eternity with.

 

[JustWondering]

You know this because...?

Bill Maher sums it up for me 2:30 to 4:00

 

[JustWondering]

Love isn't forced. Love isn't a line you draw in the sand and dare someone to step over. Love gives power; it doesn't take power. So, therefore, your atheism is "too strong" for God to overcome. God doesn't overcome. God invites. Love is a choice. If God isn't living up to your expectations for how God behaves toward you, have you considered whether you've lived up to those same expectations of yourself toward God?

I can no more love YOUR god than I can love Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

 

[The road to light]

If a creator exists humanity has no real idea of what this creator is like. It could be completely alien to us. Therefore any "god" a person worships is something fabricated by humans and likely doesn't exist. Why worship something that doesn't exist? Why worship something that does not want to even show itself to us? There are more interesting and constructive uses for my time.

I disagree with you because God does exist .There are plenty of evidences.Look at the sky, moon, sun and earth do they come on their own?!all these are signs to show that God exists.Even though we can not see God but we can feel his existence. For example, the wind you can not see it but you can feel it, you know that it exists.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Look at the sky, moon, sun and earth do they come on their own?!

Yes. They do...

HubbleSite - Discovering Planets Beyond - How Do Planets Form?

 

[The road to light]

Look at the whole universe did occur on its own.What about us human beings, where did we come from?you can not say by accident, can you?

 

[jonathan180iq]

Look at the whole universe did occur on its own.What about us human beings, where did we come from?you can not say by accident, can you?

Accident and randomness are not necessarily the same thing.

 

[The road to light1]

Accident and randomness are not necessarily the same thing.

Please tell me where did we come from then?

 

[sojourner]

Bill Maher sums it up for me 2:30 to 4:00

Bill gets it wrong and right. Wrong: Faith isn't blind belief that we have all the answers. Right: Doubt is the seed of faith. It's because humanity doesn't have all the answers that we foster faith.

No, we don't know what God is. But we do have ideas, gleaned from the best of what we do know: love, compassion, forbearance, mercy, acceptance, hospitality. And that is what we surmise God is. That's what we hope God is, and we are told that "faith is the assurance of things hoped for."

 

[sojourner]

I can no more love YOUR god than I can love Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

You don't know anything about "my God." Just as Maher said in the video you endorse. Therefore, how can you "know" whether you can love that God or not? Isn't your "knowledge" akin to the same sort of fanaticism that Maher intimates leads to tall buildings being destroyed?

 

[The road to light1]

Accident and randomness are not necessarily the same thing.

Here is my reply that summarizes everything just look at this link

 

[sojourner]

I disagree with you because God does exist .There are plenty of evidences.Look at the sky, moon, sun and earth do they come on their own?!all these are signs to show that God exists.Even though we can not see God but we can feel his existence. For example, the wind you can not see it but you can feel it, you know that it exists.

Unfortunately, as pretty a thought as it is, that's not evidence. It's supposition.