If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[Ben Dhyan]

So, what did I see in those massive eyes you ask? I saw myself, looking back at me, reflected in those massive dark eyes.

It was at that moment that the whole experience/image wobbled.

I don't quite know how else to put it. The only way I can describe the next part is if you held up two large mirrors and positioned them so that they were facing each other, infinity reflecting into each other. If you have never had such an experience, I can assure you that it is a genuine show-stopper.

In that timeless moment I became aware of everything I had ever been (reincarnationally speaking, that is). A hundred billion lifetimes, all vibrating, in excitation, at this incredible realization, fanning out, literally in all directions. From here, I found myself back, seating uncomfortably in the full lotus position. It had been six hours and my legs were screaming and I had to take a pee, LOL. It did make me giggle that after such a profound even that the only thing I could think of was racing to the bathroom. Ahhhhhhh. It is so strange how clearly I can remember so much detail all these years later. Another odd detail was that my bedroom was quite cool as it was still winter outside, but I was hot like I'd just come in from the sun on a summer day.

As I said earlier, the atheist aspect didn't hit till much later. It was a rather large amount of raw information to process and I think even the most doubting skeptics would likely agree on that note. Plus, it's not like I could just pick up a book and read about how others have handled such an event, LOL. It's very strange when you are outside the covers of mythology.

I will thank @ben d and @godnotgod for "setting me straight" about the proper ordering of the Hindu pantheon, for what it was worth. The reality is that there are many schools of thought and in the Hare Krsna school of thought, Krsna is king and everything else is below him. Period. Full Stop.

Again, I fully understand that MANY other Hindu schools of thought think quite differently. None of that matters. I don't care what they think. It's not the way I understood it and since it was my vision of Vishnu, my beliefs about the ordering of events are the only ones that matter.

Here, I don't even mean my understanding is "correct". What I am trying to tell you is that this is the way I understood it. What others had to say didn't affect my experience in the slightest and given how far I was able to take my understanding makes me hesitate in taking alternate understandings for a test drive. Why bother?

This was a very enhanced experience of Oneness. Oneness, when dovetailed with ideas of deity can have troubling implications. I was not happy with those implications. If there is only One, who are you? The uncomfortable thought was that I was, obviously, an incarnation of god. That didn't sit well with me and it took awhile, but I finally found a solution. The problem wasn't with me, I reasoned; the problem was with our child's ideas about deity. Remove that deity and all you have left is BEING. Satisfied that I had finally found a solution that would forever keep my hat size down I began to embark on a sparkling new vision of personality and self. I've been working on building that map for other travelers for a few decades now and am more than pleased with the meager results I've manage to stumble across.

Although I felt it was a huge intrusion when I was going through it, my day job actually helped me through this period. It helped me to connect with people and to stay grounded.

Oh well, rip this to pieces. I'm sure I've got everything wrong and that some will feel a need to correct my errant thinking.

So how big were Vishnu's eyes?

 

[Sirius Star]

"...The only way I can describe the next part is if you held up two large mirrors and positioned them so that they were facing each other, infinity reflecting into each other. If you have never had such an experience, I can assure you that it is a genuine show-stopper.

[...]

A hundred billion lifetimes, all vibrating, in excitation, at this incredible realization, fanning out, literally in all directions...[...]...there are many schools of thought and in the Hare Krsna school of thought, Krsna is king and everything else is below him. Period. Full Stop...[...]...Oh well, rip this to pieces. I'm sure I've got everything wrong and that some will feel a need to correct my errant thinking.

What are you talking about besides backsliding? What show-stopper that is genuine? You don't even have one.

Just two large mirrors which are facing. Facing what foundation. The rock is chiseling: this post is just good for everything.

 

[Sirius Star]

So how big were Vishnu's eyes?

He said something wobbles. So who cares. Sounds just like the religious. Always full of excuses.

 

[Runewolf1973]

So how big were Vishnu's eyes?

Well I can tell you because I saw them as well... They were so big they could hold the entire universe...infinity in a single glance.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Well I can tell you because I saw them as well... They were so big they could hold the entire universe...infinity in a single glance.

So then if the eyes were infinitely large, Vishnu Himself must be larger than infinity? ...

And so what did Vishnu look like?

 

[YmirGF]

What are you talking about besides backsliding? What show-stopper that is genuine? You don't even have one.

Just two large mirrors which are facing. Facing what foundation. The rock is chiseling: this post is just good for everything.

You know, you may just end up being the very first person I've ever put on my ignore list in the 10+ years I've been on this forum. Congratulations.

 

[Runewolf1973]

So then if the eyes were infinitely large, Vishnu Himself must be larger than infinity? ...

And so what did Vishnu look like?

What does Vishnu look like? ....infinity.


They all look the same you know...all the gods. They are all one...infinity.

As I think you would appreciate, infinity is not a void, it is FULL of EVERYTHING.

 

[YmirGF]

So how big were Vishnu's eyes?

Impossible to say, Ben. It could have been a few hundred feet or light years. There was no way to gauge distance. Think of how a blue whale would look to a krill. What you probably can't quite grasp is that it was a non-dual experience because your vision of non-dual does not allow for anything like this.

Part of the magic in this experience was that I did not know what I could not do. My beliefs as to what was possible were considerably greater than that of most.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What does Vishnu look like? ....infinity.


They all look the same you know...all the gods. They are all one...infinity.

As I think you would appreciate, infinity is not a void, it is FULL of EVERYTHING.

Ok...so it seems while you are using the concept Vishnu to represent the absolute, I am using the concept Brahman.

Doctrinally, Vishnu is not meant to represent the absolute, but the preservation aspect of creation...Brahman is meant to represent the absolute...the eternal..the infinite...

There is a celestial hierarchy....but logically there is only one absolute, so it is rational to try and understand and see the so called lessor deities as aspects of the one...

I may have more to say about the idea of you seeing the absolute...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Impossible to say, Ben. It could have been a few hundred feet or light years. There was no way to gauge distance. Think of how a blue whale would look to a krill. What you probably can't quite grasp is that it was a non-dual experience because your vision of non-dual does not allow for anything like this.

Part of the magic in this experience was that I did not know what I could not do. My beliefs as to what was possible were considerably greater than that of most.

A non-dual experience is a non-dual experience..the experiencer is not separate from that experienced....there is only the oneness....that is my understanding of non-dual.

If you say that you were looking into the eyes of Vishnu.....there is you the seer and Vishnu the seen...this is two...duality.

But if you united with the eternal....then the awareness of the eternal is all there is....that is non-dual apprehension.. Of course the mortal 'I' is present, though quiescent during the non-dual presence, and can have something to say when the non-dual presence has come to an end, but for all of the ego's reflection and memory, it is only a infinitesimal time space fragment that can be recollected... And the great error is for the 'I' to claim that it had the experience....for that, as I have shown, implies duality...the mortal 'I' seeing eternity..

 

[Sirius Star]

You know, you may just end up being the very first person I've ever put on my ignore list in the 10+ years I've been on this forum. Congratulations.

Oh, good, Amen. Amen-Ra Tutankhamen. Is "Sesame Street" on? What absolutism. It happens to be so much way better than torturing. Be all of your very own hosting. Never be responsible for hurting your own feelings.

 

[Sirius Star]

Impossible to say, Ben. It could have been a few hundred feet or light years. ...[...]...

Part of the magic in this experience was...{...]...My beliefs as to what was possible were considerably greater than that of most.

No disrespect meant but you still don't know how to gauge such distances for all of that dust? Sardis start. You still cannot even explain the same beliefs you expound on the most. Well that must be just because of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. What is this the supposed magic of Moses?

Four are part east which make up three so you now may toast. That the Father is as the Son who is still God who died in the Spirit to become the Ghost. If you die once that indicates repentance. Not all who die will even receive a single treasure. Some will just go below the same stairs they tethered. Others will still live as if they were already denied. The whole point is to live as if you have died.

There is a real big difference between a few hundred feet or light years with a space between it even as if it lied. Light years, some will be fried. All depends on exactly how they reached magnified. To constantly just live another lie. Interesting what you write. What's the next alibi? Some will just crucify. Won't be funny. And to think some will still try to pick another fight over Christmas just because of the Easter bunny.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Ok...so it seems while you are using the concept Vishnu to represent the absolute, I am using the concept Brahman.

Doctrinally, Vishnu is not meant to represent the absolute, but the preservation aspect of creation...Brahman is meant to represent the absolute...the eternal..the infinite...

There is a celestial hierarchy....but logically there is only one absolute, so it is rational to try and understand and see the so called lessor deities as aspects of the one...

I may have more to say about the idea of you seeing the absolute...

Yes, as you can see Vishnu, Brahman, God, Absolute, etc...are all different representations of that same one infinity. Greater and lesser do not exist for there is only one. A rose by any other name...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, as you can see Vishnu, Brahman, God, Absolute, etc...are all different representations of that same one infinity. Greater and lesser do not exist for there is only one. A rose by any other name...

Not so....Brahman is understood to represent the absolute, then there are the three aspects...Brahma represents the the creation aspect, Vishnu the preservation aspect, and Shiva the destruction aspect....

So for example, in Taoism the Tao represents the eternal absolute, ying represents the negative aspect, and yang the positive aspect..

Please understand that while it is correct that there is only one absolute, observed distinctions, as a result of the limited human sensory system, serve to help us survive and prosper through dualistic understanding of our environment. Hence in discussing the subject of non-duality, one can only use concepts as an expedient to share...and if the common or doctrinal meaning of the concepts used are not correctly understood or respected...then there can be no meaningful transmission of understanding...

 

[Runewolf1973]

Not so....Brahman is understood to represent the absolute, then there are the three aspects...Brahman represents the the creation aspect, Vishnu the preservation aspect, and Shiva the destruction aspect....

So for example, in Taoism the Tao represents the eternal absolute, ying represents the negative aspect, and yang the positive aspect..

Please understand that while it is correct that there is only one absolute, observed distinctions, as a result of the limited human sensory system, serve to help us survive and prosper through dualistic understanding of our environment. Hence in discussing the subject of non-duality, one can only use concepts as an expedient to share...and if the common or doctrinal meaning of the concepts used are not correctly understood or respected...then there can be no meaningful transmission of understanding...

I am sure you are correct, the thing is...I don't really care. It's all one infinity...one universe.

 

[godnotgod]

Do not be tempted by the evil one who writes in blue! Beware of the BS plague he carries! Banish him and his bendy friend to the new-age nether regions!

You have been barred from the Octopus's Garden where the Golden Elixir of the Divine is served freely and daily.

 

[godnotgod]

The universe alone points.

I point, therefore I AM.

frogpondleapsplash!

Aw, shucks! Ya missed it....again!

 

[godnotgod]

These fools have no idea of what you mean...

I am sorry that you suffer from such bile and bitterness against your non--atheist fellow man, my friend Norman... May your heart and mind be opened to the glory of existence...and experience true peace...

Methinks he is the sargeant at arms loudly barking out warnings like a bulldog, and letting the entire world know that what he is trying to guard is empty of substance.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I am sure you are correct, the thing is...I don't really care. It's all one infinity...one universe.

Fine...Btw, fyi, you quoted me before I had noticed and corrected a glaring error in my post, I should have typed Brahma the creator aspect, but instead typed Brahman. I am sorry for any confusion it caused...

 

[Runewolf1973]

Fine...Btw, fyi, you quoted me before I had noticed and corrected a glaring error in my post, I should have typed Brahma the creator aspect, but instead typed Brahman. I am sorry for any confusion it caused...

That's pretty much all religion is good for anyways...confusing people.