If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[Runewolf1973]

The conditioned mind does not experience this union as a transformative event. It is still just an idea, a concept, in the rational mind.

Who cares!! Union nonetheless.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Since the late 19th century, or the early 20th century, the idea of aether have been discarded, as non-scientific or pseudoscience.

Some physicists have attempted to use aether in their theories, but by Einstein who used in special relativity, it has since fell into disuse.

As to chi, or qi (氣, 气), on the other hand, is about energy that exist in all living and breathing things.

The way I understand qi or chi, through Chinese medicine, through Chinese exercise (qigong), and through Chinese martial art, like tàijíquán (or tai chi ch'uan), it all rely on acquiring qi or energy through the breath, similar to (Hatha) yoga breathing exercises.

Normally when we acquire energy and physical strength, it is usually through diet (food and water) and exercises that build up one's strength and energy. The food and water act like fuel for the body to burn, that will give us strength and energy.

Chi or qi, on the other hand, the intake of air or the breath we take, air is the fuel for the source of that energy. So air is the fuel, the exercise are used but it is not for building muscles and physical strength, but gaining energy through meditation and breathing exercises. The chi exercise (qigong) focused on breathing, and through body at rest or slow meditative movements, supposedly achieving inner strength.

Qigong is a form of neigong, 內功, "inner skill".

Some Chinese experts on chi, will undoubtedly associate chi with mystical experiences, just as people who practice yoga, but if you strip away the mysticism or mystical elements in qigong, you would to realise that chi is actually physical.

Chi is not some omnipresent forces, existing outside of bodies. Without a living body, chi don't exist. There is no chi in a not-breathing body, hence a dead body.

So please don't tell a Chinese person what chi is.

Wow Jimmie....you are a Chinaman and you do not know that Chi is omnipresent...

Btw, if you are at all sensitive..you will easily verify the interaction with this energy in the apparent empty space around you...

 

[godnotgod]

Everything needed is already present within nature. It is the unfolding or removal of that blindfold which was put on us by religion which then allows us the vision to realize unity with the cosmos.

Actually, RW, the 'blindfold' is put in place not only via our social indoctrination via religion, government, parents, and education, but by nature itself. The spiritual experience of divine union is transcendent of even the DNA. We are kept dumb by both nature and society, and other dumb people do what is necessary to keep things that way.

 

[godnotgod]

Who cares!! Union nonetheless.

You're being just plain silly, RW. It's not as superficial as that. If you haven't realized union, then it is worthless to you, even though the Universe must go on and do what it does.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Actually, RW, the 'blindfold' is put in place not only via our social indoctrination via religion, government, parents, and education, but by nature itself. The spiritual experience of divine union is transcendent of even the DNA. We are kept dumb by both nature and society, and other dumb people do what is necessary to keep things that way.

Though we think ourselves wise or intelligent, it is our very own selfish, egotistical minds which keep us dumb.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Everything needed is already present within nature. It is the unfolding or removal of that blindfold which was put on us by religion which then allows us the vision to realize unity with the cosmos.

So do you think atheism or the physical science beliefs are more like to aid seekers of immortal union than religious teachings?

Please be more precise and tell us which non-religious teachings are the most efficacious for seekers of immortal union...and where they can be found?

 

[Runewolf1973]

So do you think atheism or the physical science beliefs are more like to aid seekers of immortal union than religious teachings?

Just as well.

 

[Runewolf1973]

You're being just plain silly, RW. It's not as superficial as that. If you haven't realized union, then it is worthless to you, even though the Universe must go on and do what it does.

Everything is superficial and conceptual. Union is real. What is silly is all these different religions and all the blind sheep who follow!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are both referring to the realization of oneness versus the intellectual understanding of oneness...I get that.

What I am saying to you both is that DESPITE any non-realization and despite any intellectual understanding, there is ONLY union.

You are both far too overly concerned with how other people think or do not think. They must think a certain way or not think a certain way lest their views be incorrect and they fail to realize "enlightenment"...who cares!! The universe does not concern itself with supposed "correct" or "incorrect" views, why should you be so concerned? You are creating drama where there is none.

Just....let...it...BE.

It is let be....when my mind is free from thought.....but when I think....my body's sensory inputs of the things I see, hear, etc., are presented to my mind as being outside me....duality is present..

How so you....does anything ever appear in your mind as being not you?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Just as well.

Ok then...I am very interested to see them as I never knew any existed.......name some of these non-religious teachings that deal with realizing immortal union?

 

[gnostic]

Wow Jimmie....you are a Chinaman and you do not know that Chi is omnipresent...

Please, don't call me "Chinaman".

It is a racist label. I didn't like being call that when kids were beating me and bullying me, at school. And I don't like being call that now.

Please, choose your words carefully. I won't report you, but others might, if you keep calling me that.

Btw, if you are at all sensitive..you will easily verify the interaction with this energy in the apparent empty space around you...

Sorry, but there are no empty space.

Have you ever live and move about in empty space?

If there are air - oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide - then it is not empty space.

Like I said before qi or chi is achieve through breathing. Air is the fuel for that energy.

Yes, I know about Chinese traditional medicine involving chi, where this energy supposedly can manipulate chi and heal injury through touch, or in the case of internal martial art, the touch can cause damage to opponent in a fight.

Air (O2) is not some mystical substance. Nor is energy.

 

[Thief]

Except that energy are detectable, measurable.

And mos important of all, energy required mass.

Energy don't just pop out of nowhere or nothing.

But according to folklore and myths, spirit is incorporeal, therefore has no mass.

dark energy and dark mass....are not detectable
and now believed to compose most of the universe

 

[Thief]

There is NOTHING temporary about union with the infinite universe. That is where you are wrong. That is the ego speaking "thinking" that others are not worthy, or not equally united, or only have "close encounters". Bulls***! No matter who you are, no matter what your beliefs are, no matter what you think is right or wrong, no matter what you see or think you see or how you see it, there is ONLY ever union. You still seem to be under the illusion that union is a goal only achieved through devout or sincere religious practice or meditation. You don't need any of that nonsense. Why?...because Union is all there is.

so.....Jesus, Judas and Hitler ....
are getting along with each other

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Please, don't call me "Chinaman".

It is a racist remark. I didn't like being call that when kids were beating me and bullying me, at school. And I don't like being call that now.

Please, choose your words carefully. I won't report you, but others might, if you keep calling me that.



Sorry, but there are no empty space.

Have you ever live and move about in empty space?

If there are air - oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide - then it is not empty space.

Like I said before qi or chi is achieve through breathing. Air is the fuel for that energy.

Yes, I know about Chinese traditional medicine involving chi, where this energy supposedly can manipulate chi and heal injury through touch, or in the case of internal martial art, the touch can cause damage to opponent in a fight.

Air (O2) is not some mystical substance. Nor is energy.

Jimmie...I had no idea that it was considered it a negative term....I mean these example are common.... Irishman, Scotsman, etc..but I will respect your position on it..

Jimmie...I know there are atmospheric gasses that constitute atmospheric space....but they can not be rolled around and felt in the palms of your hand to build up the energy... Have you been able to replicate the experience and thus verify the existence of this energy in space as shown in the video clip?

 

[Runewolf1973]

It is let be....when my mind is free from thought.....but when I think....my body's sensory inputs of the things I see, hear, etc., are presented to my mind as being outside me....duality is present..

How so you....does anything ever appear in your mind as being not you?

I know, I know...as soon as you "think" you are automatically thrown back into that shark pool of duality to fend for yourself. If your mind were free from thought and a hammer were to fall on your head, I'm pretty sure your sensory inputs would notice. In this human form, duality cannot go unnoticed, it can only be understood and controlled. Like the snake handler understands the snake is not actually venomous.

Just realize the conceptual for the conceptual and though the brain might tell you otherwise, the illusion no longer fools. No need to avoid the illusion altogether, no need to completely do away with all dual notions, just realize it for what it is. Realize the snake is not venomous.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Ok then...I am very interested to see them as I never knew any existed.......name some of these non-religious teachings that deal with realizing immortal union?

Take a nice walk in nature. Sit quietly next to a tree.

 

[Runewolf1973]

so.....Jesus, Judas and Hitler ....
are getting along with each other

Are Jesus, Judas and Hitler separate from the universe? Conceptual things have conceptual problems.

 

[gnostic]

Jimmie...I had no idea that it was considered it a negative term....I mean these example are common.... Irishman, Scotsman, etc..but I will respect your position on it..

Thank you.

When someone is calling you "Chinaman", at the same time as beating, kicking or choking you, do you think "racist" is not involved?

Another person also called me that, here, and when I told him to stop, it just made him say it more.

Jimmie...I know there are atmospheric gasses that constitute atmospheric space....but they can not be rolled around and felt in the palms of your hand to build up the energy... Have you been able to replicate the experience and thus verify the existence of this energy in space as shown in the video clip?

Ben. I didn't say that I believe in chi, especially with the mystic or supernatural baggage of chi. I am just saying that I understand what one of my uncles taught me when I was younger about Taoism and its connection with chi, medicine and exercises.

Don't confuse understanding with believing.

 

[godnotgod]

Though we think ourselves wise or intelligent, it is our very own selfish, egotistical minds which keep us dumb.

Actually, dumbness is not the problem; knowledge and education are, which make us think we know more than we do. But these are part and parcel of our social indoctrination, where we are trained from childhood to think that the center of consciousness is in the brain, that the head is where it's at. That is the cause of our creating concepts about reality, and then thinking that these concepts represent reality itself. We create the dualities of observer/observed; subject/object, which we think tells us that the Universe is a made 'thing', that has no consciousness.

One of the greatest sages in the world, Lao tze, who wrote the Tao te Ching, prided himself on his stupidity.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Actually, dumbness is not the problem; knowledge and education are, which make us think we know more than we do. But these are part and parcel of our social indoctrination, where we are trained from childhood to think that the center of consciousness is in the brain, that the head is where it's at. That is the cause of our creating concepts about reality, and then thinking that these concepts represent reality itself. We create the dualities of observer/observed; subject/object, which we think tells us that the Universe is a made 'thing', that has no consciousness.

One of the greatest sages in the world, Lao tze, who wrote the Tao te Ching, prided himself on his stupidity.

That's what I meant. The mind is the problem.