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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

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Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Runewolf1973 said:
Take a nice walk in nature. Sit quietly next to a tree.
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You mean like how when Siddartha realized enlightenment nest to the Banyan tree and reflected on the nature of being....it is called meditation and is considered a religious practice... :)

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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Runewolf1973 said:
That's what I meant. :) The mind is the problem.
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Yes, but the shift for most people from conceptual mode to union does not occur 'just like that'. Maya, social indoctrination, and our biologies are powerful barriers to such a shift. But when the shift does occur, what we thought was the case, turns out not to be the case. Our view is radically transformed right before our eyes. So even though union is already the case, as you pointed out, unless we experience this transformation so that we can see things as they actually are, we will continue to be deluded, a condition reinforced by the rational mind. So, you see, contrary to what you have been saying, it DOES matter, because deluded thinking eventually leads to some sort of suffering. At the very least, we are kept ignorant, pursuing paths that seem right, but lead only to more suffering, such as the paths of Security, Sensation, and Power, paths pursued by most of mankind.
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
ben d said:
You mean like how when Siddartha realized enlightenment nest to the Banyan tree and reflected on the nature of being....it is called meditation and is considered a religious practice... :)

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It can be seen as religious too. Quantum Physics also brings us closer to that realization (in a roundabout way), does it not?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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gnostic said:
Thank you.

When someone is calling you "Chinaman", at the same time as beating, kicking or choking you, do you think "racist" is not involved?

Another person also called me that, here, and when I told him to stop, it just made him say it more.

Ben. I didn't say that I believe in chi, especially with the mystic or supernatural baggage of chi. I am just saying that I understand what one of my uncles taught me when I was younger about Taoism and its connection with chi, medicine and exercises.

Don't confuse understanding with believing.
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Jimmie, bullies are always a hazard when growing up...they are ubiquitous too in the workplace and in my experience, they are just another factor that one needs to accept as an enduring part of nature.. Learning to live in a state of unconditional respect of people regardless of their flaws is the way to go...they are disarmed when you treat them with respect and politeness. The change has to come from within, for the individual can never expect the cosmic environment to meet with their personal preferences..

Ok..so you do not believe there is any real substance represented by the concept of Chi...and conclude you did not have any success in feeling the energy alluded to in the video... I can feel it and have known about for yonks...but I do not practice developing it..I accept it as something that is an interconnecting ocean of energy of the universe. Nothing new really...religious teaching across the board accept that there is no nothing....there is no vacuum devoid of energy anywhere in existence...
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
godnotgod said:
Yes, but the shift for most people from conceptual mode to union does not occur 'just like that'. Maya, social indoctrination, and our biologies are powerful barriers to such a shift. But when the shift does occur, what we thought was the case, turns out not to be the case. Our view is radically transformed right before our eyes. So even though union is already the case, as you pointed out, unless we experience this transformation so that we can see things as they actually are, we will continue to be deluded, a condition reinforced by the rational mind. So, you see, contrary to what you have been saying, it DOES matter, because deluded thinking eventually leads to some sort of suffering. At the very least, we are kept ignorant, pursuing paths that seem right, but lead only to more suffering, such as the paths of Security, Sensation, and Power, paths pursued by most of mankind.
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Yes, on a conceptual level it matters, but non-conceptually, from the vantage point of the universe (Absolute as you call it), it is nothing.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Runewolf1973 said:
It can be seen as religious too. Quantum Physics also brings us closer to that realization (in a roundabout way), does it not?
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Sure does....I consider all learning of the mysteries of existence as a aspect of my religious practice.... The goal of union is precisely the meaning of the concepts of yoga and religion...not withstanding the corruption of much of institutional religion whereby the intent is to dumb down and maintain power over the followers..under the name of religion..
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
ben d said:
Sure does....I consider all learning of the mysteries of existence as a aspect of my religious practice.... The goal of union is precisely the meaning of the concepts of yoga and religion...not withstanding the corruption of much of institutional religion whereby the intent is to dumb down and maintain power over the followers..under the name of religion..
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The way I see it, there is something that can be learned from just about everything.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Runewolf1973 said:
Just realize the conceptual for the conceptual and though the brain might tell you otherwise, the illusion no longer fools. No need to avoid the illusion altogether, no need to completely do away with all dual notions, just realize it for what it is. Realize the snake is not venomous.
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There is a lot of pretentious nonsense being spouted about non-dual and non-conceptual on this thread, it is simply being fully in the present.

Though of course none of this preachy waffling has anything to do with the thread topic!
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
YmirGF said:
Uncertainty, in my humble opinion, is the only thing that will keep you on the crest of the wave, ever moving forward...
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Some people simply cannot cope with uncertainty and clutch at metaphysical straws and woo. Some even become fundamentalists, preaching DIY religions and making up new gods like "Absolute".

Do you think we will ever get back to the actual topic of the thread? ;)
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Runewolf1973 said:
Just realize the conceptual for the conceptual and though the brain might tell you otherwise, the illusion no longer fools. No need to avoid the illusion altogether, no need to completely do away with all dual notions, just realize it for what it is. Realize the snake is not venomous.
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In those terms, the snake is as real as you want or need it to be. It's not helpful looking at this world as an illusion. Just be mindful of where you are and what you are doing.
Rick O'Shez said:
Do you think we will ever get back to the actual topic of the thread? ;)
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I'm not sure it's even a particularly meaningful discussion.

I'd love to give my thinking on the topic, but I'm fairly confident saying that the average reader is not quite ready for my spin on things, LOL.
It's safe to say my ideas are a stark shift away from what has been presented in this thread thus far. Though @Runewolf1973 would probably find the interactions in my thinking most entertaining.

Plus, I wouldn't want to hijack the thread. <evil grin>...
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
Runewolf1973 said:
It can be seen as religious too. Quantum Physics also brings us closer to that realization (in a roundabout way), does it not?
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Conceptually perhaps, but if you drop a brick on your foot it will still hurt.

It shows that perpetual change and interaction is the nature of things at the sub-atomic scale, as well as the everyday and cosmic scales. All is flux and movement, no new-age god "The Absolute". But beware of quote-mined pseudo-science!
 
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