If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

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So anyway, can we now get back to the thread topic, which is clearly NOT "GnG's DIY religion".

No, it is about energy, and The Absolute has everything to do with it, as it is the Source of all energy.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Stop preaching your DIY religion and get back on topic.

We've heard all your "theories" a hundred times before, and you have filled hundreds of pages here with your DIY religion.
If you must keep going on about it, then please start a blog or a thread specifically to discuss your ideas, so that other threads like this one are not hijacked.

Here is the OP again:

"I've often heard people say that in some sense or another "everything" (whatever that is) is "energy". This confuses me, to put it bluntly. I often work with "energy" as it is "defined" (exists? described?) in modern physics, and this has not helped me understand the assertion that everything is energy. So if any members believe this and would be willing to describe what this belief means (or if any members are more knowledgeable about what this means than I) I would be grateful for an explanation as to what "everything is energy" means (e.g., what is the nature of this "energy"? why ought we to believe that everything is indeed a form of or made out of this "energy"? etc.). Thanks!"

 

[Sirius Star]

Here is the OP again:

"I've often heard people say that in some sense or another "everything" (whatever that is) is "energy". This confuses me, to put it bluntly. I often work with "energy" as it is "defined" (exists? described?) in modern physics, ...[...]..."

Oh, okay, this sounds as if they could be speaking about those who may really lack any sort of real expressed consciousness. That they have all of the powers? And if they do that knowing about what God will do has become their darkest hour(s). God said to seek the truth and you will be given power. If anyone tries to go around God's exact expressed ways he said to do something, that since he is so very spiritual, he as expects the same attitude that politics encompasses nothing less than all of the darkest of all cowards.

The Earth that God called his very own footstool has been taken over by everything for the alien and all to them is that money matters. Just because it can by them certain limited with the most mitigated of all conditions. Every condition is acceptable to God while the true atheist knows there are dark manners. The very worst of every sort of risk-agents to ever be ever counted so very acceptable to everyone of the darkest inside of all of Hollywood are there really any stars? For Leonardo DiCaprio some do say daily prayers. The big cats of the Tigris the Tigers. The Elephants of the Egyptian Euphrates. And some here only care about their very own stock markets.

 

[godnotgod]

No, I said "The Absolute" is your new-age god, and it clearly IS something you are very attached to, evidenced by your refusal to even CONSIDER that it is a fiction.

It is not new age nor a god nor am I attached to it. I am merely trying to show that it is the background to the foreground we call 'life'; an essential part of everything we do, just as the sea is essential to the fish, though the fish is unaware of its presence, and just as we are unaware of the presence of The Absolute that not only surrounds us, but permeates our entire being. It is not fiction. It is very real. It is what Zennists call 'Big Mind', and what Hindus call 'Brahman' and what science calls 'The Unified Field'.

 

[godnotgod]

Stop preaching your DIY religion and get back on topic.

We've heard all your "theories" a hundred times before, and you have filled hundreds of pages here with your DIY religion.
If you must keep going on about it, then please start a blog or a thread specifically to discuss your ideas, so that other threads like this one are not hijacked.

You are not the director of this thread to dictate to others, though you think you are the sargent at arms here.

I will continue my discussion of The Absolute as it relates to energy. If you disagree, offer a counter-argument or leave it alone. You are not the only one here.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Stop preaching your DIY religion and new-age god "The Absolute" and get back on topic.

 

[Sirius Star]

No, it is about energy, and The Absolute has everything to do with it, as it is the Source of all energy.

But that is still that 'all-power-is-full' just because that same power you may be speaking of is of the same exact magnitude God is inside of the highest of all the very host of the most heavenly of all conspiracies just because he still chooses. As he still created good to teach evil that if they will not abide then hell is really on those other sides. All levels are there as in besides. As are even God's holy angels. They fell from power just because they became deceivers. See there are several sources of energy. The alien does not understand what this really means. Hope this helps.

 

[Runewolf1973]

You used the term union.....which is what the concept 'religion' Latin roots are meant to convey....reconnect...reunite...as does the Sanskrit concept 'Yoga'.....which means....union....which practice is meant to unite the aspirant and the source of existence.. Proper religious practice of all authentic religions us meant to bring about a state of union....non-duality..

Yes, but there is so much unecessary BS associated with most main religions.

 

[Runewolf1973]

So sad it is now a distant memory of a temporary mortal close encounter with 'union'...while those whose religious practice is sincere and devoted are realizing union as immortals..

There is NOTHING temporary about union with the infinite universe. That is where you are wrong. That is the ego speaking "thinking" that others are not worthy, or not equally united, or only have "close encounters". Bulls***! No matter who you are, no matter what your beliefs are, no matter what you think is right or wrong, no matter what you see or think you see or how you see it, there is ONLY ever union. You still seem to be under the illusion that union is a goal only achieved through devout or sincere religious practice or meditation. You don't need any of that nonsense. Why?...because Union is all there is.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Except that energy are detectable, measurable.

And mos important of all, energy required mass.

Energy don't just pop out of nowhere or nothing.

But according to folklore and myths, spirit is incorporeal, therefore has no mass.

Incorporeal just means without form or substance....Dark energy is supposed to be without from or substance and has mass....

Spiritual energy is supposed to be omnipresent, so is Chi energy, so is Aetheric energy. and so is Dark energy....all directly undetectable...labels are just like sign posts....just sayin!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, but there is so much unecessary BS associated with most main religions.

But one can study and practice religion alone...and one is not obligated to be of one denomination...or any....they all have wisdom..

Did you ever belong to a religious organization?

Btw, I am amused by YmirGF's experience of being an atheist in youth....eventually finding it empty and found and practiced religion in the form of ISKON, which led to the at-one-ment Vishnu experience which his ego then claimed for itself and then declared religion useless and returned to atheism.

Talk about biting the hand that fed you...

 

[Runewolf1973]

But one can study and practice religion alone...and one is not obligated to denominational...they all have wisdom..

Btw, I am amused by YmirGF's experience of being an atheist in youth....eventually finding it empty and found and practiced religion in the form of ISKON, which led to the at-one-ment Vishnu experience which his ego then claimed for itself and then declared religion useless and returned to atheism.

Talk about biting the hand that fed you...

I agree, they all have wisdom to offer. I never felt I belonged to any religion although I was raised in a Christian setting. It's not that religion is useless perse, rather it just adds more and more layers of complexity to something that is otherwise a simple realization.

 

[godnotgod]

Stop preaching your DIY religion and new-age god "The Absolute" and get back on topic.

Stuff it!

You are not the director of this thread to dictate to others, though you think you are the sargent at arms here.

I will continue my discussion of The Absolute as it relates to energy. If you disagree, offer a counter-argument or leave it alone. You are not the only one here.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

There is NOTHING temporary about union with the infinite universe. That is where you are wrong. That is the ego speaking "thinking" that others are not worthy, or not equally united, or only have "close encounters". Bulls***! No matter who you are, no matter what your beliefs are, no matter what you think is right or wrong, no matter what you see or think you see or how you see it, there is ONLY ever union. You still seem to be under the illusion that union is a goal only achieved through devout or sincere religious practice or meditation. You don't need any of that nonsense. Why?...because Union is all there is.

Ok...of course the universe is one and nothing is separate in actual reality...but human ego awareness 'thinks' itself separate because of the predominant interaction taking place locally between the body and its environment.. Who around who believes they are in union with the universe would agree to put their hand into a fire because they consider it only maya that the fire and our hand are separate...

So long as one's awareness is centered in a mortal body...the natural suffering of life and death are inevitable....life after life...until permanent union is realized. Permanent union is absolute...the soul unites with transcendent cosmos and become an immortal....never to reincarnate...the end of suffering... Permanent union will never be realized just through mental understanding that the universe is one with the eternal interaction/dance of ying and yang energies...or even to have many at-one-ment experiences but remain in the body until the body fails and dies.

 

[godnotgod]

There is NOTHING temporary about union with the infinite universe. That is where you are wrong. That is the ego speaking "thinking" that others are not worthy, or not equally united, or only have "close encounters". Bulls***! No matter who you are, no matter what your beliefs are, no matter what you think is right or wrong, no matter what you see or think you see or how you see it, there is ONLY ever union. You still seem to be under the illusion that union is a goal only achieved through devout or sincere religious practice or meditation. You don't need any of that nonsense. Why?...because Union is all there is.

Realization of union requires a radical transformation of consciousness. You can say intellectually that, no matter what, all is already in union, but the conditioned mind does not actually have this experience. Conditioning and behavior patterns are still in full operation as a person in Identification. and he still sees things in terms of duality. The discursive mind is always on guard, preventing the experience of union. Only when it is sufficiently quieted down is the door open for such a transformative experience. This is what Chopra is referring to when he says that

'the spiritual experience is when the observer, the observed, and the entire process of observation merge into a single Reality'

In the Rinzai school of Zen, for example, it is the koan that is the device used to short circuit the rational mind. In Hinduism, it is the experience of the jiva 'becoming' one with Brahman. In kundalini yoga, it is the awakening of the serpent power at the base of the spine, traveling upward along the spinal chord to illuminate the cranium. In Buddhism, it is Sunyata and Enlightenment. While there is a school of Instant Enlightenment, most of these experiences of union take time to develop, sometimes many years. An intellectual 'understanding' such as you have suggested is not the required radical transformation of consciousness.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I agree, they all have wisdom to offer. I never felt I belonged to any religion although I was raised in a Christian setting. It's not that religion is useless perse, rather it just adds more and more layers of complexity to something that is otherwise a simple realization.

But YmirGF, you, and myself as of now are the result of all that has gone before.. Without the religious practice carried out with Hari Krishna....YmirGF would not have had the at-one-ment experience...he is today the result of that.. My early quite basic Christian religious practice as a child gave me the prerequisite understanding to move on to another and higher level of religious practice...yoga mindfulness...and that to the next..etc..

Everything we learn are prerequisite steps for the unfolding of what and who we truly are...

 

[gnostic]

Spiritual energy is supposed to be omnipresent, so is Chi energy, so is Aetheric energy. and so is Dark energy....all directly undetectable...labels are just like sign posts....just sayin!

Since the late 19th century, or the early 20th century, the idea of aether have been discarded, as non-scientific or pseudoscience.

Some physicists have attempted to use aether in their theories, but by Einstein who used in special relativity, it has since fell into disuse.

As to chi, or qi (氣, 气), on the other hand, is about energy that exist in all living and breathing things.

The way I understand qi or chi, through Chinese medicine, through Chinese exercise (qigong), and through Chinese martial art, like tàijíquán (or tai chi ch'uan), it all rely on acquiring qi or energy through the breath, similar to (Hatha) yoga breathing exercises.

Normally when we acquire energy and physical strength, it is usually through diet (food and water) and exercises that build up one's strength and energy. The food and water act like fuel for the body to burn, that will give us strength and energy.

Chi or qi, on the other hand, the intake of air or the breath we take, air is the fuel for the source of that energy. So air is the fuel, the exercise are used but it is not for building muscles and physical strength, but gaining energy through meditation and breathing exercises. The chi exercise (qigong) focused on breathing, and through body at rest or slow meditative movements, supposedly achieving inner strength.

Qigong is a form of neigong, 內功, "inner skill".

Some Chinese experts on chi, will undoubtedly associate chi with mystical experiences, just as people who practice yoga, but if you strip away the mysticism or mystical elements in qigong, you would realise that chi is actually physical.

Chi is not some omnipresent forces, existing outside of bodies. Without a living body, chi don't exist. There is no chi in a not-breathing body, hence a dead body. If a body is no longer alive and breathing, then this chi not omnipresent.

So please don't tell a Chinese person what chi is.

 

[Runewolf1973]

Ok...of course the universe is one and nothing is separate in actual reality...but human ego awareness 'thinks' itself separate because of the predominant interaction taking place locally between the body and its environment.. Who around who believes they are in union with the universe would agree to put there hand into a fire because they consider it only maya that the fire and our hand are separate... So long as one's awareness is centered in a mortal body...the natural suffering of life and death are inevitable....life after life...until permanent union is realized. Permanent union is absolute...the soul unites with transcendent cosmos and become an immortal....never to reincarnate...the end of suffering... Permanent union will never be realized through mental understanding that the universe is one with the eternal interaction/dance of ying and yang energies...or even to have many at-one-ment experiences but remain in the body until the body fails and dies.

Realization of union requires a radical transformation of consciousness. You can say intellectually that, no matter what, all is already in union, but the conditioned mind does not actually have this experience. Conditioning and behavior patterns are still in full operation as a person in Identification. and he still sees things in terms of duality. The discursive mind is always on guard, preventing the experience of union. Only when it is sufficiently quieted down is the door open for such a transformative experience. This is what Chopra is referring to when he says that

'the spiritual experience is when the observer, the observed, and the entire process of observation merge into a single Reality'

In the Rinzai school of Zen, for example, it is the koan that is the device used to short circuit the rational mind. In Hinduism, it is the experience of the jiva 'becoming' one with Brahman. In kundalini yoga, it is the awakening of the serpent power at the base of the spine, traveling upward along the spinal chord to illuminate the cranium. In Buddhism, it is Sunyata and Enlightenment. While there is a school of Instant Enlightenment, most of these experiences of union take time to develop, sometimes many years. An intellectual 'understanding' such as you have suggested is not the radical transformation of consciousness I am referring to.

You are both referring to the realization of oneness versus the intellectual understanding of oneness...I get that.

What I am saying to you both is that DESPITE any non-realization and despite any intellectual understanding, there is ONLY union.

You are both far too overly concerned with how other people think or do not think. They must think a certain way or not think a certain way lest their views be incorrect and they fail to realize "enlightenment"...who cares!! The universe does not concern itself with supposed "correct" or "incorrect" views, why should you be so concerned? You are creating drama where there is none.

Just....let...it...BE.

 

[Runewolf1973]

But YmirGF, you, and myself as of now are the result of all that has gone before.. Without the religious practice carried out with Hari Krishna....YmirGF would not have had the at-one-ment experience...he is today the result of that.. My early quite basic Christian religious practice as a child gave me the prerequisite understanding to move on to another and higher level of religious practice...yoga mindfulness...and that to the next..etc..

Everything we learn are prerequisite steps for the unfolding of what and who we truly are...

Everything needed is already present within nature. It is the unfolding or removal of that blindfold which was put on us by religion which then allows us the vision to realize unity with the cosmos.


Just like a kid again!

 

[godnotgod]

You are both referring to the realization of oneness versus the intellectual understanding of oneness...I get that.

What I am saying to you both is that DESPITE any non-realization and despite any intellectual understanding, there is ONLY union.

You are both far too overly concerned with how other people think or do not think. They must think a certain way or not think a certain way lest their views be incorrect and they fail to realize "enlightenment"...who cares!! The universe does not concern itself with supposed "correct" or "incorrect" views, why should you be so concerned? You are creating drama where there is none.

Just....let...it...BE.

The conditioned mind does not experience this union as a transformative event. It is still just an idea, a concept, in the rational mind.