If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

A single sensory perception isn't wrong so much as it is inadequate.

If it is inadequate, then it is incapable of seeing correctly that which is; it only sees that which it THINKS is. It does fine within the context for which it was designed for or evolved into, but when it comes to detecting the illusory quality of the world, it still tends to see it as real and solid, because it is still operating within the sphere of the senses. The detection of the facade is accomplished via a faculty beyond the senses. Our true nature is always present, however subdued, and prompts us to awaken from the world of perceptual reality and into the world of Higher Consciousness.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Think about it. What level of intelligence would your brain need to create another brain?

Hah, it was not very difficult when my wife and myself created two brains and it was enjoyable too, i.e., my daughter and my son.

I am actually saying that it is Consciousness which creates the brain. .. The Unified Field is a field of wave fluctuations, which create the mass of the atom. What do you suppose the nature of these waves are?

I beg to differ. .. A wave always is an up and down/right and left motion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave

 

[godnotgod]

Hah, it was not very difficult when I created two brains and it was enjoyable too, i.e., my daughter and my son.
I beg to differ. .. A wave always is an up and down/right and left motion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave

You are a Hindu? If so, your teaching says that there is no do-er. You created no such brains. An idea in consciousness to conjugate culminated in two new human beings with brains, but 'brains' were already coded into the DNA, something you did not do.

You gave me a description of how a wave behaves, but my question was about the nature of wave fluctuations emanating from the Unified Field. What are they, in reality, if not waves of information, since these waves are creating the mass of the atom? Information is a function of consciousness. (Actually, information IS consciousness.)

 

[godnotgod]

Everything comes out of Nothing.

 

[Aupmanyav]

You are a Hindu? If so, your teaching says that there is no do-er. You created no such brains. .. What are they, in reality, if not waves of information?

My teaching says many things. My understanding of 'advaita' (non-duality) says that there is no creation itself, so no question of brains being created, either earlier or now. It is all 'maya', illusion. .. a wave propagates force and not information. Deepak Chopra does not have the credentials to be quoted as a source.

 

[godnotgod]

My teaching says many things. My understanding of 'advaita' (non-duality) says that there is no creation itself, so no question of brains being created, either earlier or now. It is all 'maya', illusion. .. a wave propagates force and not information. Deepak Chopra does not have the credentials to be quoted as a source.

What is important is not the credentials, but whether the content is authentic or not.

Please don't attack the messenger unless you also tell us why his content is invalid.

Tell us why Chopra's content is in error.

Photons are packets of information transmitted via light waves.

The Quantum fluctuations are waves carrying information that creates atomic mass.

Can information exist without consciousness?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Check your Physics, Godnotgod, and do not mix it with esoteric voodoo. Of course, information can be derived from the force, but you are forgetting the force portion and making it all information.

"A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of all forms of electromagnetic radiation including light. It is the force carrier for electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

 

[godnotgod]

Check your Physics, Godnotgod, and do not mix it with esoteric voodoo. Of course, information can be derived from the force, but you are forgetting the force portion and making it all information.

"A photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of all forms of electromagnetic radiation including light. It is the force carrier for electromagnetic force, even when static via virtual photons." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

I'm just making the point that information implies consciousness.

All chemical reactions are the result of transfer and utilization/conversion of information. Photosynthesis is a good example involving photons.

The first part of photosynthesis is sometimes referred to simply as the "light reactions." In essence it is an energy conversion process, i.e. the conversion of light energy into chemical energy.

http://photobiology.info/Brennan.htm

Another example is Vitamin D. Most humans depend on sun exposure to satisfy their requirements for vitamin D. Solar ultraviolet B photons are absorbed by 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin, leading to its transformation to previtamin D3, which is rapidly converted to vitamin D3.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15585788

The Quantum fluctuations are waves carrying information that creates atomic mass.

When Runewolf talks about 'everything is interaction', he is giving only half the story. The interactions involve the exchange or delivery of information in one form or another.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps Runewolf is explaining the Buddhist viewpoint, Indrajal, Sunyata, etc. Hinduism and Advaita differ with that. Don't confuse between force, electrical and chemical reactions and the information hidden in the force. They are different things. That waves carry information is incidental. Information by itself cannot create atoms. And Brahman does not have a mind like humans, it has properties. It does not think like a human when information is received. It reacts according to its properties - like two similar poles of a magnet repel each other. No force, no reaction.

 

[Aupmanyav]

"Phys. Rev. Lett. 116, 241103 (2016) - GW151226: Observation of Gravitational Waves from a 22-Solar-Mass Binary Black Hole Coalescence

June 15, 2016: We report the observation of a gravitational-wave signal produced by the coalescence of two stellar-mass black holes. The signal, GW151226, was observed by the twin detectors of the Laser Interferometer Gravitational-Wave Observatory (LIGO) on December 26, 2015 at 03:38:53 UTC. The signal was initially identified within 70 s by an online matched-filter search targeting binary coalescences. Subsequent off-line analyses recovered GW151226 with a network signal-to-noise ratio of 13 and a significance greater than 5σ. The signal persisted in the LIGO frequency band for approximately 1 s, increasing in frequency and amplitude over about 55 cycles from 35 to 450 Hz, and reached a peak gravitational strain of 3.4+0.7−0.9×10−22. The inferred source-frame initial black hole masses are 14.2+8.3−3.7M⊙ and 7.5+2.3−2.3M⊙, and the final black hole mass is 20.8+6.1−1.7M⊙. We find that at least one of the component black holes has spin greater than 0.2. This source is located at a luminosity distance of 440+180−190  Mpc corresponding to a redshift of 0.09+0.03−0.04. All uncertainties define a 90% credible interval. This second gravitational-wave observation provides improved constraints on stellar populations and on deviations from general relativity.

So it was about 1.4 +- 0.6 billion light years away, and it emitted about 0.9 solar masses of G-waves."

Please note that I have copied and pasted this from another forum. Nearly 90% solar mass converted as gravitational waves and sent out, i.e., nearly 1800000000000000000000 megatonnes. The information about the two blackholes, their distance from earth, spin, etc. was contained in the force.

 

[viole]

Everything comes out of Nothing.

Including what Deepak says.

Ciao

- viole

 

[godnotgod]

Including what Deepak says.

Ciao

- viole

Yes, of course. Everything. Including you and I.

“We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.”

Kalu Rinpoche

 

[godnotgod]

Perhaps Runewolf is explaining the Buddhist viewpoint, Indrajal, Sunyata, etc.

I don't think so. I think he is simply making an observation via his perception, and then stops there. But we'll have to leave it up to him to confirm his position, though it may be one which agrees with Buddhism.

Hinduism and Advaita differ with that.

Topic for another thread, but I have looked into this, and have come to the conclusion that the 'differences' are only seeming ones.

Don't confuse between force, electrical and chemical reactions and the information hidden in the force. They are different things. That waves carry information is incidental. Information by itself cannot create atoms.

It has already been stated that atomic mass is created via fluctuations in the Unified Field. But there has to be information involved which determines the properties of the atom. So information is not incidental, but vital.

And Brahman does not have a mind like humans, it has properties. It does not think like a human when information is received.

No one is saying or implying that it does. However, 'properties' are Brahman's maya. But so is information.

It reacts according to its properties - like two similar poles of a magnet repel each other. No force, no reaction.

More maya.

Brahman does not react. All that you see is maya. Brahman is The Changeless. Uncaused, Unborn, Unconditioned, Attributeless Ground of Being. Being attributeless, Brahman is No-thing.

While Hinduism sub-schools such as Advaita Vedanta emphasize the complete equivalence of Brahman and Atman, they also expound on Brahman as saguna Brahman – the Brahman with attributes, and nirguna Brahman – the Brahman without attributes. The nirguna Brahman is the Brahman as it really is, however, the saguna Brahman is posited as a means to realizing nirguna Brahman, but the Hinduism schools declare saguna Brahman to be ultimately illusory. The concept of the saguna Brahman, such as in the form of avatars, is considered in these schools of Hinduism to be a useful symbolism, path and tool for those who are still on their spiritual journey, but the concept is finally cast aside by the fully enlightened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

 

[godnotgod]

"In the metaphysics of the major schools of Hinduism, Maya is perceived reality, one that does not reveal the hidden principles, the true reality – the Brahman. Maya is unconscious, Brahman-Atman is conscious. Maya is the literal and the effect, Brahman is the figurative Upādāna – the principle and the cause. Maya is born, changes, evolves, dies with time, from circumstances, due to invisible principles of nature. Atman-Brahman is eternal, unchanging, invisible principle, unaffected absolute and resplendent consciousness. Maya concept, states Archibald Gough, is "the indifferent aggregate of all the possibilities of emanatory or derived existences, pre-existing with Brahman", just like the possibility of a future tree pre-exists in the seed of the tree."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

IOW, Pure Potential and Possibility, manifested as Everything, having emerged ultimately from Nothing.

 

[Runewolf1973]

"In the metaphysics of the major schools of Hinduism, Maya is perceived reality, one that does not reveal the hidden principles, the true reality – the Brahman. Maya is unconscious, Brahman-Atman is conscious. Maya is the literal and the effect, Brahman is the figurative Upādāna – the principle and the cause. Maya is born, changes, evolves, dies with time, from circumstances, due to invisible principles of nature. Atman-Brahman is eternal, unchanging, invisible principle, unaffected absolute and resplendent consciousness. Maya concept, states Archibald Gough, is "the indifferent aggregate of all the possibilities of emanatory or derived existences, pre-existing with Brahman", just like the possibility of a future tree pre-exists in the seed of the tree."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

IOW, Pure Potential and Possibility, manifested as Everything, having emerged ultimately from Nothing.

Brahman - pure potential, empty of form, no-thingness

Maya - outcome, action, effect

Would this be accurate?

If this is the case, then my phrase "interaction is every-THING" is still correct because Brahman is not a "thing". However all those "things" come out of Brahman which is pure potential. In that sense I would say that Brahman is neither a "thing", nor is it "nothing". It is just pure potential.

 

[godnotgod]

Brahman - pure potential, empty of form, no-thingness

Maya - outcome, action, effect

Would this be accurate?

If this is the case, then my phrase "interaction is every-THING" is still correct because Brahman is not a "thing". However all those "things" come out of Brahman which is pure potential. In that sense I would say that Brahman is neither a "thing", nor is it "nothing". It is just pure potential.

The conditioned mind sees the manifested world as comprised of separate 'things', interacting as change via cause and effect;
The awakened mind sees the manifested world as maya, in which there are no changing/interacting 'things', because maya is none other than Brahman, The Changeless.

IOW...

'The Universe is The Absolute, as seen through the glass of Time, Space, and Causation'
Vivekenanda

This is also known as 'The One in the Many; The Many in the One'

 

[Aupmanyav]

Brahman - pure potential, .. I would say that Brahman is neither a "thing", nor is it "nothing". It is just pure potential.

We do not know for sure at present. At the moment, science cannot confirm whether what exists is eternal or has arisen from 'absolute nothing', many universes or not.

 

[idav]

You are a Hindu? If so, your teaching says that there is no do-er. You created no such brains. An idea in consciousness to conjugate culminated in two new human beings with brains, but 'brains' were already coded into the DNA, something you did not do.

You gave me a description of how a wave behaves, but my question was about the nature of wave fluctuations emanating from the Unified Field. What are they, in reality, if not waves of information, since these waves are creating the mass of the atom? Information is a function of consciousness. (Actually, information IS consciousness.)

The sound of the big bang.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblo...wave-background-760000-years-after-audio.html

 

[Runewolf1973]

We do not know for sure at present. At the moment, science cannot confirm whether what exists is eternal or has arisen from 'absolute nothing', many universes or not.

Agreed. I still say interaction is everything. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

 

[Aupmanyav]

What you say that too is speculation.