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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?
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Isn't the discussion energy or something?
Yes you just described information without having to get into consciousness..
godnotgod
Thou art That
What do you mean 'get into' consciousness? We all are already always conscious, even during sleep.
godnotgod
Thou art That
A little resarch into Advaita Vedanta tells me it is both mystical and cosmologically cyclical.
"What force is it which acts upon this Akâsha and manufactures this universe out of it? Along with Akâsha exists universal power ; all that is power in the universe, manifesting as force or attraction—nay, even as thought—is but a different manifestation of that one power which the Hindus call Prâna. This Prâna, acting on Akâsha, is creating the whole of this universe. In the beginning of a cycle, this Prâna, as it were, sleeps in the infinite ocean of Akâsha. It existed motionless in the beginning. Then arises motion in this ocean of Akâsha by the action of this Prâna, and as this Prâna begins to move, to vibrate, out of this ocean come the various celestial systems, suns, moons, stars, earth, human beings, animals, plants, and the manifestation of all the various forces and phenomena. Every manifestation of power, therefore, according to them, is this Prâna. Every material manifestation is Akâsha. When this cycle will end, all that we call solid will melt away into the next form, the next finer or the liquid form ; that will melt into the gaseous, and that into finer and more uniform heat vibrations, and all will melt back into the original Akâsha, and what we now call attraction, repulsion, and motion, will slowly resolve into the original Prâna.
Then this Prâna is said to sleep for a period, again to emerge and to throw out all these forms, and when this period will end, the whole thing will subside again."
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/632848/8508446/1284249355137/Cosmology+in+Vedanta.pdf?token=Fq9Ewn2pLR43rSEjUNqyilPZDkg=
So this Vedantic description of Hindu cosmology tells us that it is not only cyclical, but comes out of The Changeless. In addition, it correlates with the scientific discovery of the Unified Field, where fluctuations create the mass of the atom.
Do you follow some other branch of Advaita that is non-mystical and whose cosmology is non-cyclical?
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Yes, we're trying to get to an understanding of what energy actually is. Science is not the only approach to the question.
I mean you described information/data pretty well in materialist form. I might have to use that.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I mean you described information/data pretty well in materialist form. I might have to use that.
Oh, I see what you're saying. But I am suggesting that the Unified Field is Consciousness.
Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
Can you specify what this "Consciousness" is? If it is pure nothingness, then you may as well be saying that the unified field doesn't actually exist.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Yes, I forged one which suited my views. It is not classical advaita. I removed all mysticism and worship of Brahman. I do not know if the universe is cyclical or not, or whether it is a single universe or many. I will not commit myself to any particular view.
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Runewolf1973
Materialism/Animism
That is a lot like my animism. I removed all of the supernatural nonsense from traditional animism and realized that it is basically the same as modern-day physics. Everything from rocks, trees and streams, to planets, stars and entire galaxies are animated by unseen forces...except they are natural forces, not supernatural. Physics (esp. Quantum Physics) is in a way the animism of the present and the future. From the oldest form of belief to the most recent scientific theories, both are relevant.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Everything comes out of the Unified Field, so in that sense, it is Nothing, ie; 'The Formless', out of which all form emerges.
It 'does not exist' from the POV of perception, as it is invisible, tasteless, silent, odorless, colorless, formless. It can only be accessed via awakened Consciousness, because it IS Consciousness, but it is not your personal consciousness; your personal view, as you and Aupmanyav have forged, but one that has not yet been forged. It is the Ultimate Reality, beyond any view that can be forged. All self-views fall short of Universal View, because they are all attempts by the rational mind to conceptualize and encapsulate Realtiy, which cannot be so encapsulated or conceptualized. Dig?
Consciousness is not in Time or Space, nor is it caused. It always is. It is the Infinite; the Source. It is Pure Being, Uncaused, not in Time or Space, as compared to Existence which is in Time and Space, and subject to Causation.
'Before Abraham was, I Am'
Yeshu
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Just curious: what is the end goal of your self-forged view? Does it still include the classical Advaita view that Brahman and atman are equal? IOW, 'Tat tvam asi'?
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Equal is not the correct word to use. "Tat twam asi" means YOU ARE THAT (without any reservation/condition, emphatically). Yes, I accept that. One is 'equal to' the other means that there are two things, while Advaita does not accept the existence of any second thing (Ekomeva Adviteeyam - Verily one, without a second).
godnotgod
Thou art That
So you are That, forging a personal view about That. This means you really do not know you are That. IOW, you are not That; you are 'other' than That, looking at That as an object.
"Once the curtain of Maya is lifted, the Atman is exactly equal to the Brahman."
http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/essays/brahman_duality.asp
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
I am not looking at 'that'. A father (Uddalaka Aruni) is instructing his son (Svetaketu) the truth of Brahman. It is a quote from that conversation. Uddalaka said:
"Yathā soumya! ekena mritpinḍena sarvaṃ mṛinmayaṃ vijñātaṃ syāt,
vāchāraṃbhaṇaṃ vikāro nāmadheyaṃ mṛittiketyeva satyaṃ." Chhandogya Upanishad 6.1.4
(O gentle one, just as by a single clod of clay all that is made of clay is known, all modification being corruptions in name, the truth is that all that is clay only.)
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godnotgod
Thou art That
How is 'forging my own view' not looking at That? The very moment you forge a view, you have automatically created subject/object; this and that; self and other. You have created the illusory observer. Deepak, whom you say is unqualified, tells us that the spiritual experience is the merging of the observer, the observed, and the entire process of observation into a single reality. This is just another way of saying 'Tat tvam asi'. So Deepak knows his stuff, I am afraid.
The quote is saying that all 'modifications', ie 'personal views' of Brahman are false, whereas Brahman can be known only via a universal view; that is to say: no particular view. Zen calls this 'pointing directly to the human mind and seeing into one's nature'. No personal view has been formulated here.
"You are not just the drop in the ocean; you are the Mighty Ocean itself"
Rumi
The quote in which 'Tat tvam asi' is actually spoken is:
"The effect is nothing but the cause. Hence the body is nothing but food, food is nothing but water, water is nothing but fire, fire is nothing but Sat. Sat alone is true, and That thou art.
When a man sleeps he becomes one with Sat and hence in his case it is said Svapiti, which means he attains his own Self in sleep. This Sat is the real cause of the universe.
When a man dies his speech is dissolved in the mind, the mind is dissolved in the Prana, the Prana is dissolved in fire, fire is dissolved in Sat. This Sat is thy Self - That thou art."
http://sivanandaonline.org/public_html/?cmd=displaysection§ion_id=786
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I can agree with much of this.
Except the dream state is really localized, unfortunately, its only emulating what you describe.
The brain is just that powerful. It took 90 servers, 4 quad core 14 terabytes of ram to make Watson to beat jeapordy players and thats just scratching the surface of getting the power the brain has. I do believe it has a lot to do with bringing all of it together which is in the random access memory and simultaneous processing.
godnotgod
Thou art That
NO, mud! Read carefully, fer gawdzsakes!
Satchitananda (IAST: Satcitānanda) or Sacchidananda representing "existence, consciousness, and bliss" or "truth, consciousness, bliss", is an epithet and description for the subjective experience of the ultimate, unchanging reality in Hinduism called Brahman.
Satchitananda (Sanskrit: सच्चितानन्द) is a compounded Sanskrit word consisting of "sat", "cit" and "ananda", all three considered as inseparable from the nature of ultimate reality called Brahman in Hinduism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satcitananda
It is altogether the experience of a single Reality.
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