If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[godnotgod]

Again you are muddling up and misprepresenting. There can be the meditative experience of stillness of mind. There can be cessation of self-view based on insight. Neither of these require your beliefs in "universal consciousness" and "cosmic consciousness".

You're absolutely correct. UC and CC are not beliefs. The meditative state is only a pathway to them, but no guarantee you will experience either. Some stay in the same place for years, without making any progress, as they are still attached to Identification.

 

[godnotgod]

Interesting how YOU get so touchy when YOUR ideas are challenged.

I invite you to question the ideas I present, but they are not MY ideas. I am drawing upon several well-established sources. What you are reading as touchy is my objection to your idiotic assertions that I am concocting a weird new agey pseudo Hindu view, none of which is true. All I can say is, prove it. Bring the evidence. So far, a bag of hot air from you and you've become quite boring.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You're absolutely correct. UC and CC are not beliefs. The meditative state is only a pathway to them, but no guarantee you will experience either. Some stay in the same place for years, without making any progress, as they are still attached to Identification.

YOU are certainly still strongly attached to identification. You reek of ego.

 

[godnotgod]

It seems you find ANY idea which doesn't agree with yours to be ridiculous. Delusions of grandeur perhaps? Hmm.

Some are ridiculous due to the premises they are based upon. Others are incomplete.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I invite you to question the ideas I present, but they are not MY ideas. I am drawing upon several well-established sources. What you are reading as touchy is my objection to your idiotic assertions that I am concocting a weird new agey pseudo Hindu view, none of which is true. All I can say is, prove it. Bring the evidence. So far, a bag of hot air from you and you've become quite boring.

So now you are appealing to authority. The last resort of people with weak arguments.

 

[godnotgod]

Because you are trying to sell snake-oil and have to distract the audience with smoke and mirrors.

All I have ever done here is to point to the moon, and nothing else.

If you think you can demonstrate the veracity of your claim, then please proceed. Otherwise, zip-it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Some are ridiculous due to the premises they are based upon. Others are incomplete.

And you can't acknowledge the possibility that YOU are the one with the ridiculous premises?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

All I have ever done here is to point to the moon, and nothing else.
If you think you can demonstrate the veracity of your claim, then please proceed. Otherwise, zip-it.

I have consistently demonstrated that, like Chopra, you are a charlatan. I think YOU should zip it and stop playing the poor misunderstood prophet, it's a ridiculous charade which nobody finds convincing.

 

[godnotgod]

So now you are appealing to authority. The last resort of people with weak arguments.

My response was to your assertion that the ideas I have presented are MY ideas. They are not. I refer to some others simply because I see what they are saying. Mostly, these are statements that are transcendent of conditioned consciousness, but since you have a poor intuitive mind, you see theirs and mind as rubbish, while clinging to what you think is 'safe' and 'sensible'. I am not interested in safe and sensible; I am interested in the true nature of things.

 

[godnotgod]

YOU are certainly still strongly attached to identification. You reek of ego.

Empty words. Show the evidence, zip de clipper, flipper.

 

[godnotgod]

And you can't acknowledge the possibility that YOU are the one with the ridiculous premises?

Can you demonstrate that this is so? No? Then nip it.

 

[godnotgod]

I have consistently demonstrated that, like Chopra, you are a charlatan. I think YOU should zip it and stop playing the poor misunderstood prophet, it's a ridiculous charade which nobody finds convincing.

All you have consistently demonstrated is your shallow understanding and so you jeer.

Chopra is a giant compared to you.Go ahead. Show that he is a charlatan and you an authentic player in comparison. I am afraid you will pale early on.

If no one were interested, they would not engage me. You apparently have a vested interest yourself, but I do tire of dragging a dead corpse around from that stagnant Theravada backwater.

 

[godnotgod]

I have consistently demonstrated that, like Chopra, you are a charlatan.

Really? I'd like to see the evidence of your self-recognized talent and accomplishment. Talk about an ego! So where is this wonderful expose you are so proud of?

 

[godnotgod]

I have consistently demonstrated that....*oh-snip-ee-pooh*...

blah blah blah. What I have demonstrated is how ridiculous your view of Quantum Mechanics is in relation to Newtonian Physics. You seriously talk about 'this world' and 'that world' as if there are two, distinct worlds.

SURPRISE! THEY ARE THE SAME WORLD! DUH!

You are clearly living in duality, and are quite deluded.

You see how I can provide evidence while you have provided only Pure Virgin Hot Air?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

blah blah blah. What I have demonstrated is how ridiculous your view of Quantum Mechanics is in relation to Newtonian Physics. You seriously talk about 'this world' and 'that world' as if there are two, distinct worlds.
THEY ARE THE SAME WORLD!
You are clearly living in duality, and are quite deluded.
You see how I can provide evidence while you have provided only Pure Virgin Hot Air?

This is just more Chopra-inspired nonsense, pure pseudo-science, and nothing resembling "evidence". We cannot see quarks, and apples fall from trees.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So where is this wonderful expose you are so proud of?

Read the thread. It's not just me who has exposed your fraudulent Chopra-inspired nonsense. It's up to you what you believe in, what bothers me is the continual dishonesty and misrepresentation, including your false claims to be a Zennist.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

If no one were interested, they would not engage me.

People do tend to engage trolls, it's what they thrive on after all.

 

[godnotgod]

This is just more Chopra-inspired nonsense, pure pseudo-science, and nothing resembling "evidence". We cannot see quarks, and apples fall from trees.

You see? No one is saying that we can! But the basic structure of apples, indeed all of material reality, is created at the Quantum level via The Unified Field.

The Quantum level completely comprises the gross level, where Newtonian Physics 'works'. They are two levels of the same Reality, not two separate worlds as you had stated earlier. All atomic mass is created on the Quantum level, and atomic mass is what constitutes the visible world.

You are interjecting crap and general nonsense into the discussion, along with your own overt ignorance. The relationship of the visible world to the Quantum level has nothing...I repeat...NOTHING to do with Chopra. You've got Chopra New Age Pseudo Hinduism-On-The-Brain, and it dominates your every move.

 

[godnotgod]

Read the thread. It's not just me who has exposed your fraudulent Chopra-inspired nonsense. It's up to you what you believe in, what bothers me is the continual dishonesty and misrepresentation, including your false claims to be a Zennist.

Oh? More hot air. Evidence please.

You are wasting everyone's time with your baseless accusations and no proof.

I am a Zennist, something I am not required to prove to you.

To the contrary, you are a fraudulent Theravadist, as you fail to grasp basic Buddhistic ideas, such as the real meaning of the Heart Sutra, discussed earlier.

 

[godnotgod]

People do tend to engage trolls, it's what they thrive on after all.

Evidence?