If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[Rick O'Shez]

...and meditation is about the transcendence of 'self--view' and the realization of universal mind, which is none other than the Buddha's 'Original Mind'.

So is your "universal mind" thingy the same as your "universal consciousness" and your "cosmic consciousness" thingies?
It all gets very confusing!

 

[godnotgod]

Like I said your Zen quote is just a bad translation.

I have demonstrated clearly that the central Buddhist teaching of sunyata is incompatible with your universal and cosmic consciousness thingies, so you haven't got a leg to stand on here.

You have demonstrated nothing! How can you possibly make such an empty claim?

Where do you see a 'bad translation'? Are you a linguist?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You have demonstrated nothing! How can you possibly make such an empty claim?

Read the Heart Sutra. What it teaches is completely incompatible with your notions of "universal mind", "universal consciousness" and "cosmic consciousness". No ifs or buts.

You are trying to make Zen into Advaita Vedanta. Silly really.

 

[godnotgod]

Right, but you have a set of new-age doctrines, like "Cosmic consciousness". "Cosmic Consciousness" is also a belief, somewhat like pantheism - you might as well call it "God" really. Or "Brahman" would be closer to it?
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YOU see them as doctrines and beliefs.

 

[godnotgod]

Read the Heart Sutra. What it teaches is completely incompatible with your notions of "universal mind", "universal consciousness" and "cosmic consciousness". No ifs or buts.

Others disagree with you as I do, who see complete compatibility.

Now show me the bad translation.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

YOU see them as doctrines and beliefs.

That is simply what they are. "God", "Brahman", "Cosmic Consciousness", whatever, they are ALL religious beliefs. I'm surprised you don't get that.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Others disagree with you as I do, who see complete compatibility.

Like I said, don't take my word for it, go onto some Buddhist forums and try to sell your ideas about "cosmic consciousness" and such being a part of Buddhist teaching. It won't be pretty to watch though!

I don't think you understand sunyata at all. For that you need to drop all your beliefs and be fully in the present, really SEE the transience and insubstantiality, really FEEL it.

 

[godnotgod]

That is simply what they are. .

That is what they are to YOU, just as the Sun is only a belief to the prisoners in Plato's Cave. You believe that UC is just a belief.

 

[godnotgod]

Like I said, don't take my word for it, go onto some Buddhist forums and try to sell your ideas about "cosmic consciousness" and such being a part of Buddhist teaching. It won't be pretty to watch though!

I don't think you understand sunyata at all.

I don't need to do that. I am perfectly satisfied with the references to Zen and UC from the link I posted.

Show me the bad translation, or zip it!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

That is what they are to YOU, just as the Sun is only a belief to the prisoners in Plato's Cave. You believe that UC is just a belief.

UC, CC, blah blah, just new-age labels for "God" I reckon.

 

[godnotgod]

Lordy, you really are attached to these beliefs, aren't you? You confuse the present moment with all your pretentious proper nouns, "universal this" and "ultimate that".

Please come out of your rabbit hole and feel the sun on your skin and the wind on your face.

So how many years have you been indoctrinated into the cult of 'The Simplicity of the Present Moment'?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I don't need to do that. I am perfectly satisfied with the references to Zen and UC from the link I posted.

And it doesn't bother you that your "cosmic consciousness" thingy is completely incompatible with sunaya, the central teaching of Buddhism?

 

[godnotgod]

UC, CC, blah blah, just new-age labels for "God" I reckon.

Poor fellow! So confused. No wonder, with all that dead Hinayanist stultification.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So how many years have you been indoctrinated into the cult of 'The Simplicity of the Present Moment'?

It's a Zen thing actually.

 

[godnotgod]

And it doesn't bother you that your "cosmic consciousness" thingy is completely incompatible with sunaya, the central teaching of Buddhism?

Buddha Mind is not a discriminating mind.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Poor fellow! So confused. No wonder, with all that dead Hinayanist stultification.

Sounds like I've had a lot more Zen experience than you actually. Real experience, not posing on forums.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Buddha Mind is not a discriminating mind.

Eel-wriggling. You know full well that your "cosmic consciousness" thingy is incompatible with the central teaching of Buddhism.

 

[godnotgod]

It's a Zen thing actually.

Ah, wrong! There is no taint of Zen in the present moment! You are contaminating the present with the residue of the past.

 

[godnotgod]

Sounds like I've had a lot more Zen experience than you actually. Real experience, not posing on forums.

Then why is it that you fail to see the true spirit of Zen?

 

[godnotgod]

Eel-wriggling. You know full well that your "cosmic consciousness" thingy is incompatible with the central teaching of Buddhism.

I know of no such thing. But a little birdie told me why you resist CC.