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If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

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atanu

atanu

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Rick O'Shez said:
That's just the function of memory. When we first wake from sleep there can be a "Who? What? Where?" period, then the memories flood in and we remember who and where we are. Nothing mystical going on here.
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To whom this "Who" "Where" etc arise?
 
atanu

atanu

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Rick O'Shez said:
As I said before, if you believe there is something mystical beyond the natural world that we observe, then provide some evidence for it.
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I have requested you to see your sleep from first person perspective and you will know what Prajña is.

Only when we are able to observe the primeval Nature, stripped of mental perturbations and look into it eye to eye can we decide if the Seer is same as mind-senses or not.

Only after experiencing primeval Nature in its pristine form can one state whether there is a beneath or beyond or not.
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

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atanu said:
Only when we are able to observe the primeval Nature, stripped of mental perturbations and look into it eye to eye can we decide if the Seer is same as mind-senses or not.
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"Primeval Nature" and "Seer" are beliefs imposed on the experience of a still mind. Same with Atman and Brahman. Prajna, wisdom, is not dependent on such beliefs.
 
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atanu

atanu

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Rick O'Shez said:
"Primeval Nature" and "Seer" are beliefs imposed on the experience of a still mind. Same with Atman and Brahman. Prajna, wisdom, is not dependent on such beliefs.
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Yes. Have you experienced Prajna? If you have then I bow to you as I would bow down to Buddha. But I suspect that that will not be necessary.;)

In Buddhism, Prajna leads to the unborn Nirvana. In Hinduism, Prajna leads to unborn Brahman.

Some people claim to be keeper of wisdom but sadly they cannot even see beyond words.. how will they perceive wisdom? With words and senses?
 
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idav

idav

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Rick O'Shez said:
That's just the function of memory. When we first wake from sleep there can be a "Who? What? Where?" period, then the memories flood in and we remember who and where we are. Nothing mystical going on here.
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No no your forgetting. Waking up is really a transcending of multi-dimensional consciousness into an eternal now.:)
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

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Rick O'Shez said:
So you are now saying there is ONLY the natural world? No "cosmic consciousness" and all that other stuff you keep talking about?

Interesting how you keep moving the goalposts, I guess that's a new-age thing. You are always ducking and diving, changing your position, first pretending to be one thing, then another.

Interesting how evade searching questions by continually changing the jargon you use. One minute it's "universal consciousness", next minute it's "cosmic consciousness", next minute it's the "divine", next minute it's just "miraculous". But of course these jargon buzz-words are deliberately vague, words for you to hide behind. It's very tiresome indeed.
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They are only labels. Interaction/interconnectivity are only labels as well. I think universal constant sounds good as well, but alas it is only a label. There is really nothing anyone can hide behind. The universe can't hide from itself, but it does like to pretend otherwise.
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

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atanu said:
Okay. "I view wisdom....."? With 'anatta', how can wisdom be limited to your self??
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I'm not sure what you mean. Wisdom is a quality of mind which develops, not some mystical thing which descends.
Anatta just means there is no permanent self or soul, no Atman. There is no "seer", just mindfulness.
 
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Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

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Runewolf1973 said:
They are only labels. Interaction/interconnectivity are only labels as well. I think universal constant sounds good as well, but alas it is only a label. There is really nothing anyone can hide behind. The universe can't hide from itself, but it does like to pretend otherwise.
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I don't have a problem with labels which straightforwardly describe observable characteristics, like interaction or transience.

What I have a problem with is the proliferation of pseudo-religious labels like "Cosmic Consciousness", particularly when these are ill-defined and used interchangeably with other ill-defined labels. It's confusing and unhelpful, a tautological nightmare. I think this is a new-age thing, people make up their own jargon and then expect everyone else to know what it means. It's not so bad when people are using traditional terms like Atman or Brahman, you can at least look those up, or ask somebody from the tradition concerned. I assume "Cosmic Consciousness" is in fact similar to Atman/Brahman, but this has never been clearly explained. The difference between "Cosmic Consciousness" and "Universal Consciousness" hasn't been explained either, they sound different but who knows? Then we get meaningless gibberish like "Ultimate Reality", which is presumably more "real" than plain old reality. ;)

And if people are actually just talking about the universe, then why not just say "universe"!

So please, use plain English and drop the pretentious buzz-words! Don't expect everyone else to know what your jargon means!
 
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Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

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Rick O'Shez said:
I don't have a problem with labels which straightforwardly describe observable characteristics, like interaction or transience.

What I have a problem with is the proliferation of pseudo-religious labels like "Cosmic Consciousness", particularly when these are ill-defined and used interchangeably with other ill-defined labels. It's confusing and unhelpful, a tautological nightmare. I think this is a new-age thing, people make up their own jargon and then expect everyone else to know what it means. It's not so bad when people are using traditional terms like Atman or Brahman, you can at least look those up, or ask somebody from the tradition concerned. I assume "Cosmic Consciousness" is in fact similar to Atman/Brahman, but this has never been clearly explained. The difference between "Cosmic Consciousness" and "Universal Consciousness" hasn't been explained either, they sound different but who knows? Then we get meaningless gibberish like "Ultimate Reality", which is presumably more "real" than plain old reality. ;)

And if people are actually just talking about the universe, then why not just say "universe"!

So please, use plain English and drop the pretentious buzz-words! Don't expect everyone else to know what your jargon means!

If you are addicted to gobbledygook then you can do it here instead:
http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/gobbledygook-generator.html
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Agreed. I prefer labels which everyone can understand. Plain, simple, nothing too fancy or contrived.
 
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