If "everything is energy" then what does this mean?

[serp777]

We have already had this discussion, Spiney. The Quantum world is the basis of the gross world you call Newtonian. It is not another reality; they are one and the same, just at different levels. We live in the Quantum reality which says that the Newtonian material world is not a material world, but a possibility.

From the POV of perceptual reality, there is pain; but from the POV of Ultimate Reality (ie 'awakened consciousness') it is a dream. You experience dream-thirst, dream-hunger, dream-pain, in dream-sleep. So, too on the next higher level of conscious awareness. But on the next level after that, this world of perceptual 'reality' is an illusion.

Quantum Mechanics is the way of describing material on the smallest scales. It still is a world of material, but the material behaves differently according to the rules of QM. Occasionally particles will behave as a wave instead of a particle. A wave, however, is still a material, physical thing just as the wave in an ocean is. Its obviously more complicated but all thats happened is the definition of what material is became more sophisticated to account for QM.

Also, ugh, please enough with the higher consciousness mumbo jumbo. There's no evidence of an ultimate reality, or an awakened consciousness, or that we're all in a dream, or that there is a next level. You're adding significant and unnecessary complexity to something which doesn't need it. Adding this magical junk on top of the universe we have adds nothing in terms of predictive capability or results. Also perceptual reality is only kind of an illusion. Rather, its an interpretation of the universe. Its not really an illusion but rather interpretations can be flawed andt can be mostly or only somewhat correct.

 

[godnotgod]

You're not a Zennist. You're a preachy new-ager who muddles up bits from here, there and everywhere.

It's not my problem that you don't have a well-developed intuitive mind. That has always been your problem. I see all of those bits you refer to as a single integrated Reality, while you see them as a muddle of confusing bits.

My primary point of departure is Zen. I have nothing to do with the New Age movement. You simply don't know your stuff, and are seeing the rope as a snake.

 

[godnotgod]

Quantum Mechanics is the way of describing material on the smallest scales. It still is a world of material, but the material behaves differently according to the rules of QM. Occasionally particles will behave as a wave instead of a particle. A wave, however, is still a material, physical thing just as the wave in an ocean is. Its obviously more complicated but all thats happened is the definition of what material is became more sophisticated to account for QM.

Also, ugh, please enough with the higher consciousness mumbo jumbo. There's no evidence of an ultimate reality, or an awakened consciousness, or that we're all in a dream, or that there is a next level. You're adding significant and unnecessary complexity to something which doesn't need it. Adding this magical junk on top of the universe we have adds nothing in terms of predictive capability or results. Also perceptual reality is only kind of an illusion. Rather, its an interpretation of the universe. Its not really an illusion but rather interpretations can be flawed andt can be mostly or only somewhat correct.

Nope. No such thing as 'materiality'. It's just an assumption carried over into the new paradigm of QM.

Nope. You, and the other materialists have added the layer of so-called 'materiality' over Reality. Science has, via dissection and reductionist thinking, eviscerated Reality of its very life, and attempts to box it and package it for ez consumption, but it's dead and sterile, like a frozen TV dinner. Science has replaced its life with mathematical and clinical descriptions taken for reality itself. But stripped of all definitions, concepts and descriptions, the world then becomes transformed right under your nose. Mystics have experienced this transformation of consciousness throughout the ages, and have corroborated/verified each other's experiences in different times and places independently of one another.

Yes, because perceptual reality is flawed is the very reason the mystic leaves it behind and seeks and finds a path to higher ground. For someone like you, this higher ground simply does not exist, in exactly the same manner that the Sun does not exist for the prisoners in Plato's Cave.

Yes, 'predictive capability': that is all that science really is: a method of prophecy. If that is what you want, then go for it. But others want a deeper understanding as to the true nature of things, and science simply cannot deliver, and that is because of its very methodology: dissection and reductionism.

Oh, I know. You want something bite sized and digestible to the rational mind, something it can sink its teeth into and process in terms of its own conceptual framework. But don't you see that this is interpreting Reality in terms of the conceptual framework, rather than the other way round?

 

[Aupmanyav]

He will see The Unchanging Absolute as the material Universe, made up of parts, and changing all the time.

Physics: Any change without the application of any external force is no change.

 

[godnotgod]

 

[Rick O'Shez]

My primary point of departure is Zen. I have nothing to do with the New Age movement. You simply don't know your stuff, and are seeing the rope as a snake.

You have claimed to be a Zennist, and you are clearly not. You have claimed that Buddhist teachings support your odd pseudo-Hindu new-age muddle, and they clearly don't. You have claimed that quantum mechanics is somehow relevant to the experience of non-duality or whatever, it clearly is not. You have claimed not to be a new-ager, but you clearly are.

You continually misrepresent things in a desperate attempt to validate your weird theories, and when challenged you resort to insults and cheap point-scoring. I really wish you would give up this interminable attention-seeking ego-trip and listen to what other people are saying to you.

You have completely misunderstood the rope/snake metaphor by the way.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Quantum Mechanics is the way of describing material on the smallest scales. It still is a world of material, but the material behaves differently according to the rules of QM. Occasionally particles will behave as a wave instead of a particle. A wave, however, is still a material, physical thing just as the wave in an ocean is. Its obviously more complicated but all thats happened is the definition of what material is became more sophisticated to account for QM.

Indeed, and our everyday world operates according to Newtonian rather than quantum mechanics. Pretending that QM is anything to do with altered states of consciousness or whatever is pure pseudo-science.

 

[atanu]

Indeed, and our everyday world operates according to Newtonian rather than quantum mechanics. Pretending that QM is anything to do with altered states of consciousness or whatever is pure pseudo-science.

Operation of mind-senses give rise to Newtonian and other world views.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Operation of mind-senses give rise to Newtonian and other world views.

It's not about world-views, it's about the physical range of our senses and about the physical forces like gravity which affect us in our everyday world.

 

[idav]

Operation of mind-senses give rise to Newtonian and other world views.

Everything spawned from the original energy that was the singularity at the point of space expansion. So in essence everything are various forms of energy. There is however the macro level to deal with which doesn't hit quantum states as easily as pure light or pure energy.

 

[idav]

Did this video debunk matter and energy?

 

[atanu]

It's not about world-views, it's about the physical range of our senses and about the physical forces like gravity which affect us in our everyday world.

Well. I think you know well that the Eastern religions hold that the objects, including our bodies, arise interdependently and have no reality on their own. Eastern religions ask us to find out whether we are bodies (localised-discrete) or spirit-like (non local). When the notion that 'we are the bodies' predominates, we are affected by natural forces.

 

[atanu]

Everything spawned from the original energy that was the singularity at the point of space expansion...

First. What energy you are talking about?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

When the notion that 'we are the bodies' predominates, we are affected by natural forces.

Do you believe that realised people can fly and move through walls? I don't.

 

[idav]

First. What energy you are talking about?

The energy that makes up everything in the universe and has evolved since the beginning to various forms we are aware of and even forms we aren't so keen on.

 

[atanu]

Do you believe that realised people can fly and move through walls? I don't.

I also do not believe.

 

[atanu]

The energy that makes up everything in the universe and has evolved since the beginning to various forms we are aware of and even forms we aren't so keen on.

Instead of singularity, we end up with circularity.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/if-everything-is-energy-then-what-does-this-mean.185140/

 

[idav]

Instead of singularity, we end up with circularity.

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/if-everything-is-energy-then-what-does-this-mean.185140/

That's not the same as what I am saying. Legion never did address my saying that everything are different forms of what makes up the universe since the beginning. What are your objections and why. Matter as we understand it didn't always exist its current form, it was an evolution as the universe expanded and cooled.

 

[godnotgod]

Did this video debunk matter and energy?

No, it debunks some of the assumptions that are embedded in science, which in turn is trying to prop itself up as the authority about matter and energy.

 

[godnotgod]

You have claimed to be a Zennist, and you are clearly not. You have claimed that Buddhist teachings support your odd pseudo-Hindu new-age muddle, and they clearly don't. You have claimed that quantum mechanics is somehow relevant to the experience of non-duality or whatever, it clearly is not. You have claimed not to be a new-ager, but you clearly are.

You continually misrepresent things in a desperate attempt to validate your weird theories, and when challenged you resort to insults and cheap point-scoring. I really wish you would give up this interminable attention-seeking ego-trip and listen to what other people are saying to you.

You have completely misunderstood the rope/snake metaphor by the way.

'Clearly'? Proof?