If it's AI is it Art?

[Brickjectivity]

And if so, what does that say about art ... or, for that matter, about AI?

For the time being the answer is 'No', however there is future potential for machine intelligence (not mere AI) to produce art. When I say "Machine intelligence" I mean autonomous systems which collect their own data, like people and animals do; by walking around and experience the world and imagining. AI is something else which is fed lots of data collected on the internet. What we have right now is AI making imitations of art.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

It cannot create art it can only mimic it,

Unfortunately, the same can be said of many human efforts along those lines...

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

At this point the poll result is

Y ::= 5​

N ::= 8​

I would be interested to know if this correlates at all to the theist|atheist divide.

 

[Secret Chief]

At this point the poll result is

Y ::= 5​

N ::= 8​

I would be interested to know if this correlates at all to the theist|atheist divide.

What you thinking?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Salt and sugar also look identical to each other

I don't understand the relevance to my post.

 

[Eddi]

I don't understand the relevance to my post.

You posted a pic made by AI along with the text:

Looks like Art to me...

My reply was making the point that although it may look like art that doesn't necessarily mean it is art, if it has been churned out by an algorithm

Just like how salt and sugar look the same (white grainy powder) but are totally different

 

[SalixIncendium]

You posted a pic made by AI along with the text:

My reply was making the point that although it may look like art that doesn't necessarily mean it is art, if it has been churned out by an algorithm

Just like how salt and sugar look the same (white grainy powder) but are totally different

The image was an AI rendering of Art Garfunkel.

It looked very much like Art. Here is a real photograph...

Here is the AI rendering...

Now tell me that that AI isn't Art.

 

[Eddi]

The image was an AI rendering of Art Garfunkel.

It looked very much like Art. Here is a real photograph...

Here is the AI rendering...

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Now tell me that that AI isn't Art.

If it looked less like a photo I would be more inclined to call it art

Photorealism is pretty straightforward

If it produced something more abstract (like something Picasso would do) then I would be more impressed

 

[Quintessence]

For the time being the answer is 'No', however there is future potential for machine intelligence (not mere AI) to produce art. When I say "Machine intelligence" I mean autonomous systems which collect their own data, like people and animals do; by walking around and experience the world and imagining. AI is something else which is fed lots of data collected on the internet. What we have right now is AI making imitations of art.

This reflects how I tend to view it too. When so-called AI stops being more or less a glorified plagiarism tool, we'll talk. Actual AI would be autonomous like you describe here - a being that explores the world in an embodied way and has its own distinct experiences. Like all other living things do. Art is, very specifically, something that emerges out of lived experiences and relationships... then attempting to express those ineffable experiences and relationships in a way that offers a glimpse into the ephemeral.

At least in the more traditional sense.

There is, I suppose "commercial" art that really is just about product, not process or meaning. That doesn't tend to be what the high minded artsy types consider art. I remember not particularly understanding this distinction at the time I was doing art as one of my majors in college. It led to some... interesting conflicts between me and the faculty... haha. But as an adult - and especially after training with OBOD - I actually get what they were on about now. It's not too surprising that it was through religion that I learned what art is - religion and art have a lot in common with one another in terms of being expressions of the human condition and lived experience.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

What you thinking?

I'm not entirely sure. I suspect that many theists would find AiArt to be a challenge to core beliefs/presumptions.

(Can I copyright AiArt?)

 

[SalixIncendium]

If it looked less like a photo I would be more inclined to call it art

Photorealism is pretty straightforward

If it produced something more abstract (like something Picasso would do) then I would be more impressed

Here ya go...Ask and ye shall receive...

 

[Secret Chief]

Here ya go...Ask and ye shall receive...

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A cubist computer! What are you using?

 

[Eddi]

Here ya go...Ask and ye shall receive...

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Yeah but that's just copying someone else's style

 

[Eddi]

a glorified plagiarism tool,

Yes!

That is exactly what it is

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's not too surprising that it was through religion that I learned what art is ...

@Secret Chief , see above ...

 

[SalixIncendium]

A cubist computer! What are you using?

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[SalixIncendium]

Yeah but that's just copying someone else's style

You asked for that style!

 

[Secret Chief]

Yeah but that's just copying someone else's style

That's what you asked for ("like something Picasso would do")

 

[Eddi]

You asked for that style!

I meant I'd be impressed if it turned out something like that without being prompted to!!!

 

[Eddi]

That's what you asked for ("like something Picasso would do")

Yes, but Salix had to tell it to do that it didn't make something similar on its own!