If Jesus was God, explain this verse...

[Kenny]

Man is composed of body, spirit and soul - it does not mean you are God. Even an egg is composed of the shell, yolk and egg white - it does not mean the egg is God. Even my coffee is composed of water, coffee and sugar - it does not mean my coffee is God. If one cooks a 3 course meal, again it does not mean it is God.

I NEVER said we are God. I said we are made in His image and in His likeness...

Therefore, you have just proved my point. Each of the examples show how you can be three and still be one. In the case of man, you have correctly established that we have three distinctive parts. Each have a voice and yet it still makes us one person.

May I thank you?

 

[MJFlores]

I NEVER said we are God. I said we are made in His image and in His likeness...

Therefore, you have just proved my point. Each of the examples show how you can be three and still be one. In the case of man, you have correctly established that we have three distinctive parts. Each have a voice and yet it still makes us one person.

May I thank you?

My breakfast was composed of 3 distinctive parts too.

I hope you are not fixated on the number 3 because it really doesn't mean anything. On the second though, I remembered something from the Book of Revelations:

Then I saw three impure spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Revelation 16:13

Eww...that's bad.

I hope you could reconsider your thoughts about the nature of Jesus Christ. It is really for you to start searching for eternal life. The whole world was and is deceived by wrong doctrines and that is the devil's work as we could read in the bible:

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him. Revelation 12:9

 

[Kenny]

My breakfast was composed of 3 distinctive parts too.

So, are you saying I am correct because we have ONE breakfast yet are 3 distinctive parts?

Thank you!

Strawman tactics doesn't change the reality that Biblically man has three part but is one person like God is three parts yet ONE God.

Using your standard, you are declaring that God is schizophrenic:

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hearye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee

Can't make up my mind... does He think He is two people? The Lord GOD 'AND' His Spirit?

 

[MJFlores]

So, are you saying I am correct because we have ONE breakfast yet are 3 distinctive parts?

Thank you!

Strawman tactics doesn't change the reality that Biblically man has three part but is one person like God is three parts yet ONE God.

Using your standard, you are declaring that God is schizophrenic:

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hearye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee

Can't make up my mind... does He think He is two people? The Lord GOD 'AND' His Spirit?

Isaiah 48:16 and Isaiah 59:21 does not suggest that God is two people [where is the third?]

God has spirits and he is also in his nature spirit.

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”Hebrews 1:7

“To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Revelation 3:1

God owns these spirits and have been sending them. I hope that from 3 we would be fixated on 9. These are spirits of God - and are recorded also in Revelation 4:5 Revelation 5:6

You said: Can't make up my mind... does He think He is two people? The Lord GOD 'AND' His Spirit?

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

God is ONE
God is not human
God is not a human being
God is spirit (John 4:24)
The Father is God (John 17:1-3)

 

[Kenny]

Isaiah 48:16 and Isaiah 59:21 does not suggest that God is two people [where is the third?]

"hath sent me"

God has spirits and he is also in his nature spirit.

spirits, yes... but not my Spirit (capital). So... when He said He would fill us with His Spirit, you mean we are possessed with spirits? (Your position is failing quickly.)

In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels spirits, and his servants flames of fire.”Hebrews 1:7

Ohhhh...Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you

I get it... we are possessed with Angels living inside of us.

God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? Numbers 23:19

God is ONE
God is not human
God is not a human being
God is spirit (John 4:24)
The Father is God (John 17:1-3)

As is the The Word is God (and the Word WAS God). As is His Holy Spirit for we are born of His Spirit.

 

[MJFlores]

"hath sent me"

spirits, yes... but not my Spirit (capital). So... when He said He would fill us with His Spirit, you mean we are possessed with spirits? (Your position is failing quickly.)

Ohhhh...Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you

I get it... we are possessed with Angels living inside of us.

As is the The Word is God (and the Word WAS God). As is His Holy Spirit for we are born of His Spirit.

I'm not following your line of thought - totally lost.

How many gods do you have now after this?

 

[Kenny]

I'm not following your line of thought - totally lost.

How many gods do you have now after this?

The same as the three people that you have in your being.

 

[MJFlores]

The same as the three people that you have in your being.

 

[Kenny]

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[MJFlores]

"hath sent me"

spirits, yes... but not my Spirit (capital). So... when He said He would fill us with His Spirit, you mean we are possessed with spirits? (Your position is failing quickly.)

Ohhhh...Ezekiel 37:14 And shall put my spirit in you

I get it... we are possessed with Angels living inside of us.

As is the The Word is God (and the Word WAS God). As is His Holy Spirit for we are born of His Spirit.

When someone is sent - is the one sent greater or lesser?

Jesus said: "hath sent me"

Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. John 13:16

But he said, “I must proclaim the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent.” Luke 4:43

Hence -
The Father is greater than the Son because
The Father sent the Son
Therefore there is no equality with the Father and the Son
They are not co-equal to each other

Who is God according to Jesus Christ?

John 4:24 New King James Version (NKJV)

God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Who is Jesus Christ according to himself?

Luke 24:38-40 New King James Version (NKJV)

And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”

When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.

God is spirit
Jesus is not spirit
God does not have flesh and bones
Jesus have flesh and bones as the apostles saw he has

Two different natures
God is invisible and unseen
Jesus showed his apostles his hands and his feet

God does not even cast a shadow because he is spirit:

James 1:17 New Living Translation (NLT)

Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.” - My Jesus casts a shifting shadow.

Ergo:
If God is spirit
And Jesus is not a spirit
My Jesus is not God.

My Jesus is not your Jesus - as the bible says:

For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it! 2 Corinthians 11:4

That is why my Lord Jesus is in the Bible

But your Jesus was preached in TURKEY in 325 A.D.

which is now an Islamic country.

 

[Kenny]

When someone is sent - is the one sent greater or lesser?

Your spirit is greater, your body is lesser.

 

[MJFlores]

Your spirit is greater, your body is lesser.

The First Council of Nicaea (/naɪˈsiːə/; Greek: Νίκαια [ˈni:kaɪja]) was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea (now Iznik, Bursa province, Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325. Constantine I organized the Council along the lines of the Roman Senate and presided over it, but did not cast any official vote.

This ecumenical council was the first effort to attain consensus in the Church through an assembly representing all of Christendom. Hosius of Cordoba, who was probably one of the Papal legates, may have presided over its deliberations.

Its main accomplishments were settlement of the Christological issue of the divine nature of the God the Son and his relationship to God the Father, the construction of the first part of the Nicene Creed, establishing uniform observance of the date of Easter, and promulgation of early canon law.

First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia

Revelation 2:12-13 New International Version (NIV)

“To the angel of the church in Pergamum write:

These are the words of him who has the sharp, double-edged sword. I know where you live—where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

Does it strike you that "Jesus is God" doctrine was made near Pergamum - where Satan has his throne?

 

[kjw47]

These are facts--
From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelites taught, serve and worship--a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah)--This is the God taught to Matthew, Mark, Luke,And even Jesus his first 30 years attending the synagogues and temples. A new religion began( Matt 23:37-39)-- not a new God. With the exception of Catholicism councils(2Thess 2;3)
There is NO trinity in existence, Catholicism is responsible for all trinity translations--all originals were gone by the time others were allowed to translate.
They erred in many spots to fit false council teachings--the teachings of Jesus prove its truth.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

From Moses on up until this very day, the Israelites taught, serve and worship--a single being God named-YHVH(Jehovah)

Technically, certain authors taught, not "Israelites".

 

[kjw47]

Technically, certain authors taught, not "Israelites".

Every one who believes the bible, knows God inspired its words.--not the errors added by Catholicism.

 

[Oeste]

Does it strike you that "Jesus is God" doctrine was made near Pergamum - where Satan has his throne?

Sorry, but Trinitarian doctrine was developed from scripture.

As far as Arianism, it was developed by Arius who got his start in Antioch.

And, horror of horrors, Antioch is located in Turkey which you described as an Islamic State but which is actually secular.

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If we can't believe the Trinity because it's too near Pergamum, and we can't believe Arianism for the same reason, then Christians are left in the unenviable position of believing Jesus is God while Jesus is not God.

As far as I know, the only folks that subscribe to the "now your God, now your not" are Modalists who believe God takes turns being Jesus and then God.

Is this what you're suggesting?

 

[MJFlores]

Sorry, but Trinitarian doctrine was developed from scripture.

As far as Arianism, it was developed by Arius who got his start in Antioch.

And, horror of horrors, Antioch is located in Turkey which you described as an Islamic State but which is actually secular.

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If we can't believe the Trinity because it's too near Pergamum, and we can't believe Arianism for the same reason, then Christians are left in the unenviable position of believing Jesus is God while Jesus is not God.

As far as I know, the only folks that subscribe to the "now your God, now your not" are Modalists who believe God takes turns being Jesus and then God.

Is this what you're suggesting?

Antioch was also one of the places where Apostle Paul was persecuted

2 Timothy 3:10-12 New International Version (NIV)

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

It was the devil's playground, where Satan lives and sits.

The Scriptures already described it clearly. Even the introduction of these doctrines the earliest was 325 A.D.is also glaring - the last apostle died in 100 A.D., apostle John. Then afterwards - the apostasy - the false apostles came in:


2 Corinthians 11:12-15 New International Version (NIV)

And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

1 Corinthians 4:6 New International Version (NIV)

Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, “Do not go beyond what is written.” Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other.

And they did wrote these doctrines going beyond what the scriptures say and the people of this day are deceived and sad to say many who accepted these doctrines are now deceased - to late for them to correct their faith.

Satan did not even traveled far from his throne in Pergamum, all he had to do was wait for the last apostle of Christ to die out and preach his unexplained doctrine like the Trinity - christianize version of the Legion.

Mark 5:8-10 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!” And He was asking him, “What is your name?” And he *said to Him, “My name is Legion; for we are many.” And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country.

 

[Oeste]

ntioch was also one of the places where Apostle Paul was persecuted

2 Timothy 3:10-12 New International Version (NIV)

You, however, know all about my teaching, my way of life, my purpose, faith, patience, love, endurance, persecutions, sufferings—what kinds of things happened to me in Antioch, Iconium and Lystra, the persecutions I endured. Yet the Lord rescued me from all of them. In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

Well there you go! Antioch was a student who was well received at Antioch, the same city that persecuted Paul. Obviously a City that persecutes Paul but taught Arianism couldn't possibly be teaching correct doctrine. And look how close to Pergamum it is! It's just a jump, skip and hop away from Satan's throne!

What more proof do we need?

Thank you MJFlores

Your insightful reasoning has settled the question once and for all and we can now put this Arian heresy to rest. You have provided the readers at Religious Forums and perhaps the world a lasting public service. For this sir, I salute you!

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What a great way to end Cinco de Mayo.

 

[MJFlores]

Well there you go! Antioch was a student who was well received at Antioch, the same city that persecuted Paul. Obviously a City that persecutes Paul but taught Arianism couldn't possibly be teaching correct doctrine. And look how close to Pergamum it is! It's just a jump, skip and hop away from Satan's throne!

What more proof do we need?

Thank you MJFlores

Your insightful reasoning has settled the question once and for all and we can now put this Arian heresy to rest. You have provided the readers at Religious Forums and perhaps the world a lasting public service. For this sir, I salute you!

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What a great way to end Cinco de Mayo.

And who won? The bishops or Arius? Wasn't it the bishops?

Arius, not yet officially a heretic, kneels before Constantine and the bishops at the First Council of Nicaea. (Miniature from the martyrology of Emperor Basil II, Vatican Library)

I think they stripped his clothes off to humiliate him. Whoever is Arius is and what he believed in - I really don't know.

But what I know is - the devil won, apostasy was in effect.

 

[Muffled]

And who won? The bishops or Arius? Wasn't it the bishops?

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Arius, not yet officially a heretic, kneels before Constantine and the bishops at the First Council of Nicaea. (Miniature from the martyrology of Emperor Basil II, Vatican Library)

I think they stripped his clothes off to humiliate him. Whoever is Arius is and what he believed in - I really don't know.

But what I know is - the devil won, apostasy was in effect.
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I believe you have much too much to do with the devil for my liking. All my understanding comes from the Holy Spirit.

According to Wikipedia Arius believed Jesus did not pre-exist but was begotten by God. I believe this has two flaws 1. Jesus is not simply a body but is a body with the Spirit of God in it. The body did not pre-exist but The Spirit of God has always existed. 2. Jesus is a begotten son of Mary and He is of God but God did not do any begetting as a man would do, however God did create the ability for Mary to conceive so techinically it could be consideered a begetting in that sense.

I believe the Trinity is in the Bible and ignorance of it shows improper reasoning.

I believe that is absurd. Neither belief in the Trinity nor lack of belief in it leads to apostasy. I believe the most that can be said is that Jesus doesn't like non-Trinitarian views because He considers them to be close to being idolatry.