If there is a life after death.....

[muhammad_isa]

Are you just finding an excuse to Hate?

I do not hate anybody .. I am relatively fortunate not to live in a war zone.
However, I know many people DO hate .. are envious of others .. wish harm upon others etc.

devils are envious of others, and promote hate.

The problem will never go away until it is solved. How is mankind doing in the solved department?

Not too well .. but the reality is, that WWI and WWII actually happened .. and mankind
find it difficult to trust one another.

 

[Bird123]

No, you're at best mistaken.

If your claim were true, you could describe this real non-imaginary non-notional thing to me, to us, so that we'll know it when we see it ─ but once again you can't.

This is where we always end up.

This is where you choose not to hear what I told you over and over and over again. YOU ALREADY KNOW GOD! If you do not know it when you see it, It's not God!!

I think it would do you good to Discover who you are. Perhaps that would widen your view. On the other hand, since you do not seek, that might be as hard for you as understanding what I told you about God.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

I do not hate anybody .. I am relatively fortunate not to live in a war zone.
However, I know many people DO hate .. are envious of others .. wish harm upon others etc.

devils are envious of others, and promote hate.


Not too well .. but the reality is, that WWI and WWII actually happened .. and mankind
find it difficult to trust one another.

It's we against they, right? You have been taught to hate and do not realize you are doing it.

What happens when you hate or label others as evil? It all just comes back to you. In time, everyone will realize that the price for hate is always too high,

So you receive hate, what do you do? You return Unconditional Love. I have Discovered it is mighty hard to hate someone who is loving you.

Can't trust people? I tend to give everyone the great opportunity to be Trustworthy. If they prove not to be, that is where the interaction, the learning ,growing and bringing those views not seen to the surface so they can be seen. It's called working toward resolution and solving the real problems,

Communication is key in every interaction. How much is not being said? Why isn't it? When one understands all sides, Intelligence will pick the best choices. Is keep them blind and hated really solving anything?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[blü 2]

This is where you choose not to hear what I told you over and over and over again. YOU ALREADY KNOW GOD!

You've repeatedly totally failed to describe what you say I know.

The best explanation for that is that God is an incoherent idea of yours.

I think it would do you good to Discover who you are.

This patronizing, condescending shtick of yours is terribly tedious, and only made worse by the obvious datum that you have no idea what you're talking about and that's why you can't articulate anything meaningful, just keep repeating your nothings.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It's we against they, right? You have been taught to hate and do not realize you are doing it..

Your assumptions are unfounded .. I do not hate people..
..but I hate evil actions .. it is not the same thing.

 

[Bird123]

You've repeatedly totally failed to describe what you say I know.

The best explanation for that is that God is an incoherent idea of yours.

This patronizing, condescending shtick of yours is terribly tedious, and only made worse by the obvious datum that you have no idea what you're talking about and that's why you can't articulate anything meaningful, just keep repeating your nothings.

How hard is it to understand what I have been telling you? You are actually someone. God is actually someone. When you bump into God, you will already know the someone that is God.

Since you have closed your mind to anything other than what you want to be true, I understand why what I tell you means nothing. I repeat because truth does not change. What do you expect me to do when you are closed to everything but what you want?

Find a quiet dark room away from all distractions. Close your eyes and focus inward. Say to yourself. It's me. That is who you really are. You are not a physical being in your true nature that you have been led or chosen to believe. So describe yourself. This is the journey that you ignore, yet it is there. It does exist. This is the start. Discover who you really are.

If you are having trouble, seek out the very youngest of children and just talk to them. Many can still tell the difference between who they are and their physical bodies. They must be very young. This physical world has so much sensory input that it isn't long before one is seduced into thinking this physical world is all there is.

Perhaps, you already even know yourself yet you refuse to see it. Think back. What is the very first thing you remember in life?

This is the avenue and journey to start understanding. I can not do it for you. You must want and seek answers for yourself. I can not do it for you.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Your assumptions are unfounded .. I do not hate people..
..but I hate evil actions .. it is not the same thing.

If you are around one who has chosen evil actions, do you really think they do not feel your hate even though you might not throw a stick at them? When religious people get together and it becomes we are good they are bad, do you really think no one is being taught to hate?

You hate and do not even know it. Why not? You have been taught so many of these petty things are goodness. Goodness is not all the religions are teaching.

At some point one is supposed to advance beyond the sum of one's teachings to Discover what actually is.
Take a few steps back and see all the possible changes from any action. So much more knowledge lives beyond the surface.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[blü 2]

How hard is it to understand what I have been telling you?

Since you've told me nothing, so far there's nothing to understand.

You are actually someone. God is actually someone.

God is someone only in the sense that Mickey Mouse is someone.

Except that if you ran into Mickey Mouse, chances are you'd recognize him, whereas God has no description appropriate to a real being. Anyone can imagine as many gods as they like, and ghosts, souls, pixies, banshees, goblins, the whole supernatural menagerie. But God is a much waftier notion; there's even an apophatic version, which is about as wafty, as imprecise, as free of information as you could possibly get.

 

[Bird123]

Since you've told me nothing, so far there's nothing to understand.


God is someone only in the sense that Mickey Mouse is someone.

Except that if you ran into Mickey Mouse, chances are you'd recognize him, whereas God has no description appropriate to a real being. Anyone can imagine as many gods as they like, and ghosts, souls, pixies, banshees, goblins, the whole supernatural menagerie. But God is a much waftier notion; there's even an apophatic version, which is about as wafty, as imprecise, as free of information as you could possibly get.

Did you take any effort at all to Discover who you really are? Did you find a quiet room away from all distractions then focus inward? Did you say It's me? Describe the me in it's me.

I have been giving you lots of knowledge. I have been pointing you in a very good direction. You do not seek the knowledge therefore you do nothing.

You have been accepting and rejecting beliefs for so long that is all you know. Truth will not always be a agreeable thing. How can you ever hope to Discover anything when you have already decided what it should be?

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

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@Bird123 and @muhammad_isa God does hate evil people but is severely grieved over their fate out of compassion for them. There is no reason to assume hate and retributive vengeance has no purpose. To @Bird123 it's simply to teach us that it's not useful. Well, why not just not create it if it's not useful. The fact he created it us to use that emotion seems that it's part of the paradigm of morality. Like all morals, it must be put in it's proper place. Loving and treating evil people like the good people is injustice to the good people. To equate the two is a severe injustice.

What is love. Aside from the relationship aspect and emotional feature, it's about valuing. Valuing has three possible outcomes. Positive or Negative or neutral. When negative it results in hate. When positive, it's appreciation and love. However compassion, applies and embraces all things from God and should from believers as well. That is we are still supposed to have compassion for those who we hate. This is why Mohammad (s) is expressed in hyperbola of his grief in caring "in maybe that you kill yourself that they would not be believers".

 

[muhammad_isa]

You hate and do not even know it..

Your stereotypes do not apply to everyone. It is you who has
a dislike for organised religion, that is cause of the problem .. and not my hate.

You are the one being negative, and not me.

 

[Trailblazer]

It is you who has a dislike for organised religion, that is cause of the problem .. and not my hate.

He hates organized religion. That is the cause of the problem.

84 percent of the world population has a faith.

So much for unconditional love!

 

[Bird123]

@Bird123 and @muhammad_isa God does hate evil people but is severely grieved over their fate out of compassion for them. There is no reason to assume hate and retributive vengeance has no purpose. To @Bird123 it's simply to teach us that it's not useful. Well, why not just not create it if it's not useful. The fact he created it us to use that emotion seems that it's part of the paradigm of morality. Like all morals, it must be put in it's proper place. Loving and treating evil people like the good people is injustice to the good people. To equate the two is a severe injustice.

What is love. Aside from the relationship aspect and emotional feature, it's about valuing. Valuing has three possible outcomes. Positive or Negative or neutral. When negative it results in hate. When positive, it's appreciation and love. However compassion, applies and embraces all things from God and should from believers as well. That is we are still supposed to have compassion for those who we hate. This is why Mohammad (s) is expressed in hyperbola of his grief in caring "in maybe that you kill yourself that they would not be believers".

God is Unconditional Love. You will Discover this in time.
Everyone is a Child of God. Question? What does Unconditional Love do for a Child of God? Unconditional Love always does what is Best for the other. I say instead of wallowing in a sea of emotions and valuing the petty things mankind holds so dear, Work at Solving the Problems and Issues involved. If one values pay back and hurt, what is learned? Nothing and pay back and hurt will be returned? Which is the Intelligent way?

What is: If I step off a High Rise building, I could feel Love, Hate, or even Compassion, but that doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is I do not step off a High Rise building. You see, Solving the problem and the problem will not return. Each has their choice of what they want returning to themselves. Are those petty things really what you want returning?

Kill yourself if they would not be believers??? How many petty things were valued even making such a statement? This statement isn't about caring. That statement alone proves it doesn't come from God.

People can choose to value those petty things so many hold so dear. People can find excuses to justify their actions such as they deserved the hate or in the name of justice. Your actions and choices generate lessons to learn. When each learns all sides, Intelligence will make the Best choices.

I can point, however feel free to choose. Our actions and choices show God and the world what we know and what we need to learn. On the road to a Higher Level, True Understanding will be acquired by all God's children. After all, it is the only way to acquire the knowledge to be able to create a Heavenly state for oneself and others.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[Bird123]

Your stereotypes do not apply to everyone. It is you who has
a dislike for organised religion, that is cause of the problem .. and not my hate.

You are the one being negative, and not me.

It's about What Is!!!

Religion does serve a purpose. Religion is a catalyst that brings so many of mankind's problems to the surface so they can be dealt with. After all, when one thinks one has God's blessing, one can justify anything.

Religion also supplies a social avenue for many. Interaction of all kinds is part of God's system. On the other hand, I have found no religion that understands God at all. Religions reflect mankind more than anything else.

What's there to dislike? On the other hand, I think it is very important to see things as they really are. In the end, reality instead of Beliefs, is going to be better.

Free choice is part of God's system. You have all my Love and Kindness regardless of any choices you choose.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!

 

[muhammad_isa]

..I have found no religion that understands God at all..

..and you are greater than Jesus and Muhammad, peace be with them?

 

[Trailblazer]

On the other hand, I have found no religion that understands God at all. Religions reflect mankind more than anything else.

I have found many religions that understand God. Religions reflect God more than anything else.

 

[Trailblazer]

On the other hand, I have found no religion that understands God at all. Religions reflect mankind more than anything else.

I have found many religions that understand God. Religions reflect God more than anything else.

 

[Valjean]

God is Unconditional Love. You will Discover this in time.

God's love seems extremely conditional. Violate His laws, or fail to believe in Him or His Son, and He will condemn you to an eternity of hideous torture. That doesn't sound very loving or compassionate to me.
It's very clear.

 

[Valjean]

God is Unconditional Love. You will Discover this in time.

God's love seems extremely conditional. Violate His laws, or fail to believe in Him or His Son, and He will condemn you to an eternity of hideous torture. That doesn't sound very loving or compassionate to me.
It's very clear.

 

[Valjean]

God is Unconditional Love. You will Discover this in time.

God's love seems extremely conditional. Violate His laws, or fail to believe in Him or His Son, and He will condemn you to an eternity of hideous torture. That doesn't sound very loving or compassionate to me.
It's very clear.