Incel What is it?

[ChristineM]

Weirdly, originated by a female then.

Woman can have a lack of action too... It took men to bastardise it

 

[Secret Chief]

Woman can have a lack of action too... It took men to bastardise it

Yes I only noted the sad irony of what it had led to.

 

[Stevicus]

Until Thursday I had never heard of this, anyone know much about it?
Some are saying this is linked to White Supremacism, how? Why?

I remember hearing about it for the first time when the Elliott Rodger case happened. I believe there have been a few incidents since then. I don't know that there's any link to white supremacism, even if they're both on the far right wing. There may be some overlap, but I don't think there's any automatic link between the two. There are men of color who are noticeable in the man-o-sphere, and I'm pretty sure they're not white supremacists.

 

[Vouthon]

Whilst legally true, I wouldn't qualify any of these people as men.
I realise that's me in a fruitless one man quest to reclaim 'manhood' as something positive, but screw it. I'm doing it anyway.

 

[Koldo]

The incel ideology followed by Jake Davison belongs to this new blurry extremism – incubated, propagated and weaponised online.

What hasn’t changed are those seduced. Socially isolated individuals with little stake in society, like Davison, are those most vulnerable. The pandemic has amplified a sense of marginalisation for many. Yet even before the first lockdown, the incel ideology was increasingly popular. Inceldom is classified within a government category known as “mixed, unstable and unclear” ideologies. This category accounted for more than half of all referrals to the counter-terrorism Prevent programme in 2019/20– up from just 11% three years earlier.

Thursday’s killings will mean that the online “manosphere” comes under new scrutiny, its sprawling decentralised network of chat rooms and gaming platforms helping to normalise misogyny. Any attempt to crack down on such hate may, though, only push its members to migrate to newer ungoverned internet platforms.

The police’s decision not to categorise last Thursday’s attack as a terror incident will likely be judged by history as an oversight. Terrorism, by definition, is the threat or use of action to intimidate the public in advancement of a political, religious, racial or ideological cause.

More immediately, it appears to reflect that Devon and Cornwall police are not up to speed with the emerging threat of “mixed, unstable or unclear” ideology.
Incel ideology: a new blurry form of extremism incubated online

Until Thursday I had never heard of this, anyone know much about it?
Some are saying this is linked to White Supremacism, how? Why?

As with any large group of people, there is a whole lot of different people in there. What connects them all is that they are bitter over past experiences with women, mostly related to feeling either rejected or used.

Even though misogny is often present, it is generally not of the usual old kind where there is a sense of entitlement for being male. But rather a different kind where negative experiences are projected as the entirety of reality, painting women in a really bad light inside an echo chamber.

The biggest problem about the community, as far as I see it, is that it doesn't truly bother to shun the extremists within it. And by doing this they have shot themselves in their feet a lot of times over the years.

 

[Revoltingest]

Incel - Wikipedia

Odd...this is the site I went to first to investigate a neutral
& broad survey of incels. It's like we share one brain!

I hope you're not attempting to introduce the notion that
not all incels are woman hating nerds ranging from the
feckless to the deadly. This is RF. Extreme views of
groups must be enforced. This is accomplished by
allowing only the extreme elements to define the whole.

Heaven forbid that we might view this in a larger context
of men & women with deep psychological problems in
need of therapy. (Note that "incel" was created by a
gal...not a guy.)

 

[ChristineM]

Note that "incel" was created by a
gal...not a guy.

Yup but it took guys to mess it up

 

[Revoltingest]

I was brought up to believe the one thing you never do is hurt a woman, maybe that is old fashioned sexism but it is to me a golden rule of being a man.

Better to bring up both boys & girls to believe it's
wrong to hurt anyone...male, female, or other.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yup but it took guys to mess it up

I get the joke.
But some might not.
So....
Men (& women) are diverse. We as individuals in any group
do not own the wrongs committed by others in the same group.
This is just as not all women are TERFs or other loopy kinds
of feminists.
So we don't say "It took you gals to turn feminism into a joke."
just cuz some women & some flavors of feminism are toxic.
The vast majority of us guys had nothing to do with incel cultures.

 

[ChristineM]

I get the joke.
But some might not.
So....
Men (& women) are diverse. We as individuals in any group
do not own the wrongs committed by others in the same group.
This is just as not all women are TERFs or other loopy kinds
of feminists.
So we don't say "It took you gals to turn feminism into a joke."
just cuz some women & some flavors of feminism are toxic.

If a woman had taken a pubp action shotgun and killed 5 people including a 3 year old child then thos thread would have been about women

 

[Koldo]

Odd...this is the site I went to first to investigate a neutral
& broad survey of incels. It's like we share one brain!

I hope you're not attempting to introduce the notion that
not all incels are woman hating nerds ranging from the
feckless to the deadly. This is RF. Extreme views of
groups must be enforced. This is accomplished by
allowing only the extreme elements to define the whole.

Heaven forbid that we might view this in a larger context
of men & women with deep psychological problems in
need of therapy. (Note that "incel" was created by a
gal...not a guy.)

You are pushing reality into the way of other people's misconceptions. Why must you do this?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

We as individuals in any group
do not own the wrongs committed by others in the same group.

We may. And we may not be able to wave them away as 'not our problem'.
It really depends on the context.

 

[Revoltingest]

If a woman had taken a pubp action shotgun and killed 5 people including a 3 year old child then thos thread would have been about women

That is an odd hypothetical.
You must be making some point, but it eludes me.
Yes, this thread is not about women.
I'm not making it about them.

What is up with this post, woman!

 

[Revoltingest]

You are pushing reality into the way of other people's misconceptions. Why must you do this?

Oppositional defiant disorder - Wikipedia

 

[Koldo]

That is an odd hypothetical.
You must be making some point, but it eludes me.
Yes, this thread is not about women.
I'm not making it about them.

What is up with this post, woman!

She is talking about Jake Davidson. One of the, five or so, incels guys (out of thousands and thousands) that decided to go on a killing spree.

 

[Justanatheist]

Better to bring up both boys & girls to believe it's
wrong to hurt anyone...male, female, or other.

Nope, I was taught to use violence against any man who tried to hurt me or mine, nowt wrong with that. But you do not hit women.

 

[ChristineM]

That is an odd hypothetical.
You must be making some point, but it eludes me.
Yes, this thread is not about women.
I'm not making it about them.

What is up with this post, woman!

I know the UK is irrelevant and not newsworthy in the us but... There has recently been a mass shooting, this thread is trying to soer out the perps mindset

 

[Revoltingest]

We may. And we may not be able to wave them away as 'not our problem'.
It really depends on the context.

Do you blame yourself for the worst of incels?
Do you blame all women for TERF?
No...we are individuals.
We are each responsible for how we
address those & other societal ills.

 

[Revoltingest]

She is talking about Jake Davidson. One of the, five or so, incels guys (out of thousands and thousands) that decided to go on a killing spree.

Hmmm....so all males in this vast group are
perhaps complicit in mass murder? Oh, dear.

 

[Justanatheist]

I think it's probably more fair to say that certain subgroups are hard to comprehend than ping it on the modern world.

Unfortunately there have always been those keen to demonise and blame others for their own shortcomings, or their own frustrations. Whilst a new flavour...and one I personally find particularly weak and repulsive, tbh...this doesn't appear anything new to me.

This wouldn't be tolerated in my world either, to be clear.

Not blaming it on the modern world I just do not understand it, groups of men whining because they cannot get laid.

And not being funny but Plymouth has got to be one of the easiest places to get laid in the UK! Give him a tenner and point him in the direction of Union Street.